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Cahill and you're listening to that UFO

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hi everyone and welcome back to that UFO

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podcast soon to be rebranded as that

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balloon podcast my name is Andy and

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joining me for a breakdown with a couple

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of guests joining in later on too is Dan

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Dan welcome

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hello Andy hello room hello high

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altitude spy balloon yeah hello to any

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of our foreign adversarial overlords

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listening podcast hovering 60 to 80 000

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feet above my home

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um I mentioned there's going to be some

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guests on this one too we won't be with

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you for too long we're going to be

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joined by Tim McMillan who is coming in

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I spoke to him a few days ago on the

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whole situation which we're large

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looking at in terms of Chinese spy

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balloons adversarial drones you will be

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well aware probably of everything that's

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going on in the US in the last week in

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terms of was it drones was it UFOs UAP

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in the news all that good stuff Tim

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McMillan joined us to break that down

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and have a really interesting not

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discussion he was making all the good

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points though about you know what this

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could be why they are what they are um

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and then at the end there's a 14 15

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minute piece with Chris stratkovsky you

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may remember him as the Canadian

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civilian UFO researcher who was on the

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podcast last year the Canadian UFO

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report was just released for 2022 and he

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joined me just for a very short

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breakdown of that as well so stick

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around for that at the end folks but Dan

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and I will be talking about the the kind

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of last crazy week in in the news

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because it's been

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it's not been about UFOs but it has been

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about UFOs isn't it done and that's all

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started with that Chinese spyballing

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being shot down and let me start off

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asking you because I think most folks

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are going to know about their story

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because it's been worldwide news

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do you think all of this would have

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if that Chinese Spider-Man hadn't been

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filmed by members of the public first

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would we know about all of this that is

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exactly what seems to have kicked this

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off isn't it yeah balloon may have gone

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over without anybody noticing and the

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News not picking it up but the second it

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was filmed in you know good resolution

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reason the media went crazy over it at

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the Department of Defense started

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addressing it to the point where now

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we've got calls for a formation address

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yeah um Sunday and then the last kind of

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week in a bit three more objects were

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spotted and I'm going to say shut down

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confirmation yet that the other objects

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were definitely shot down we know some

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of them were we've heard that they were

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shot at but disappeared or you know the

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missiles missed we've heard objects were

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destroyed we've heard there is debris

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we've heard there is debris but it can't

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be recovered we have heard there may be

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debris but it won't be recovered is it

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quantum debris is this it's getting a

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little bit ridiculous isn't it and I've

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seen some of the um Senator John Kennedy

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swatting a fly folks uh if you're on

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YouTube you get to see me swatting a fly

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um I'll put your 3D glasses on now

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if you are confused with this situation

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then you understand the situation

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completely getting at the fact that

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they're they're having these classified

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women and such and there's a lot of

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day here which is feeding into all kinds

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of conspiracy but also I think points to

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what was said many times and many folks

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have said that it's not as well oiled a

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machine or will run a machine as people

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really shows the left hand doesn't even

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week you know some people kind of saying

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ones kind of saying nope definitely not

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it's just very prosaic stuff

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and then you get everything in between

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where uh people are saying that this is

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being used in the news to distract from

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the Ohio train disaster and things like

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that when really you know we just had

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this happen in a week so you've got kind

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you know the fact we're talking about

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those things means that they weren't

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hidden very well if they were hidden you

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um but there are just a whole bunch of

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the less information they give the more

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speculation is going to fill this Gap so

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they could do with um with really

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table you know if they have pictures of

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these objects so they've shut down which

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sniper pods we know that the they've got

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infrared pods and they can film these

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things that means they should be able to

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give us high definition imagery by these

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objects how do you mean why why should

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advocate here but I also this is a

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conversation we've had a few times and

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this Dan that we're talking about the US

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here so it's the US government they

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don't owe us they are talking obviously

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to their taxpayer their citizens right

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um so I appreciate that but that's more

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what do they owe people

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you know why should they give that

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because they're going to be looking at

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this being a military operation

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about that kind of stuff days gone by

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and videos afterwards of anything else

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so why why would we get it and I think

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um UFO Jesus yeah who said the same

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thing and I just commented saying but

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we're not going to get that they never

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entitled thing of and it's a bit of a

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UFO Twitter thing but you know we should

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videos and I would like to see them I'm

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for is more that they should as opposed

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um and they have so many kind of

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conflating statements from from them and

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it's sucked all the air out of the room

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over the last week in the media that

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some transparency wouldn't go amiss here

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had the same argument know that and

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again I would like to see this stuff

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folks that's point point a but point B

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video of the Tic Tac beside the gosh yes

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Pilot's cockpit and we should be able to

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see all these other videos they've got

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and pictures and people say just remove

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the detail in the background for the

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love of God right say they had a full HD

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4K video of a Tic Tac setting alongside

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uh a Russian warship in the US have

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background and blur it out so you didn't

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where it was and just shows that that

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Tech Tac they could do that they're not

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so I just I just don't see why with this

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to mention this probably anyway then the

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the classified UFO report unclassified

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UFO report that came out and it had the

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the heavily redacted page with the UFO

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on that page there were going to be some

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truly anomalous objects I bet there was

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a lot of this stuff on there as well

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billions but it's not just the balloons

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it's the payloads that are underneath

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the balloons as well and the equipment

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that the balloons are carrying we've had

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that one of the objects was um octagon

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shaped octagonal that doesn't mean

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kind of drone or object that's being

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held up there that might be lighter than

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air is being held up by a gas but has

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some kind of like payload in it with all

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these co-sensors whatever it might be

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and it's still capable of being shot

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down strange shape but I think I said to

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you privately Dan a text message or

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whatever it was

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no it was a phone call the other night

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when I spoke here and I said yeah it's

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not a good chance that F China and the

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US and let's just include Russia in this

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as badly as they're doing right now in

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Ukraine we should These are nice

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accessible platforms so let's include

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like Uzbekistan and and places like that

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military yeah so any any any you know

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Nation or superpower whatever you want

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to call it if they are aware that these

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other countries are having truly you

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know I'm just going to say UFO

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encounters proper non-human alien UFO

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encounters why wouldn't you hide your

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own Tech in a way that makes it look

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like something anomalous just to confuse

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them and that has meant that these

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things have probably Jeremy Corbell said

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on on a news report it was on these

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things have probably been up there for

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decades spying whether that's balloons

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or drone type objects and Pilots have

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been so scared to report on them because

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they're going oh crap is that one of

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those you fours I can't talk about this

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but actually it's been some kind of

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Chinese drone what we're not seeing and

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I'm not going to speak for you Dan but

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I'm 100 sure you'll see the same thing

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that doesn't mean all these UFO reports

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were all balloons and drones and spy

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Tech but like we have said all along and

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percent that are unexplained in the UFO

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report from the US from Arrow from the

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Canadian UFO report and such

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a lot of these unexplained are still

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going to be those types of objects

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foreign Tech really cool Tech really

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basic Tech being unidentified and

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everything in between there's still a

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small number that are really anomalous

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and unexplainable and that's the the

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stuff that we're really interested in

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but I think this has just highlighted it

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because now and I'm you're going to

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probably summarize this better than me

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now that the the reporting has changed

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and becoming more frequent now the

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parameters of what they're looking for

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has increased all of a sudden they've

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opened their eyes a little bit more and

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went ah

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there's stuff in our skies we didn't

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know was there that we should have known

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was there and what they're going to find

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is a whole load more of this kind of

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stuff but hopefully along with that

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they're gonna also I think Tim McMillan

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in the interview with them speaks about

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you know fishing for tuna if you cast a

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bigger net you're going to get more tuna

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but you're also getting a whole lot more

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crapping along with it as well and this

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is what you're going to kind of sift

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through that's a good analogy yeah

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um because yeah we heard that the the

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whole reason that they're seeing these

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things is because they opened up the

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filters which just means that basically

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everything that that we know about has a

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fingerprint so like an IC ABM launch you

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know that that flash of the initial

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launch of the missile that will be a

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signature and a satellite we'll see that

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and kind of go hey that's an ICBM and in

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fact that that very signature has been

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to blame for a whole bunch of like false

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alerts and things like that over the

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decades but unless that fingerprint is

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in the database they won't be able to

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identify it with their various

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satellites and systems and and we've

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heard before people tell us that certain

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Radars can pick up things the size of

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baseballs you know miles away and I've

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got to say I think I think they toot

327
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their own horn a little bit too hard

328
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because these these things are bigger

329
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than that and they went they they went

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under the radar like literally you know

331
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they were missed

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um I think you're absolutely right and

333
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and we we have discussed it before that

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the data that's outside of those

335
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signatures tends to get discarded

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because they'll kind of go eh it's a

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bird air it's a child's birthday party

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balloon and they'll ignore them so if

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you know that filters exist why wouldn't

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you lean into the outer edges of those

341
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filters if you're an adversary and

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especially at this kind of cheap level

343
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as well you know you're not gonna

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compete with America on how much it

345
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spends on its defense budget with all of

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these really high-tech gadgets so you go

347
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the other way and you play a little kind

348
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of Moneyball with it right and you kind

349
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of go okay I can't do that I don't have

350
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the you know beiruth of baseball so I'm

351
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gonna get 10 guys who can kind have come

352
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near that track record

353
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um and they won't even notice them and

354
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the startling thing here is that yeah

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they seem to be you know they could have

356
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been over America for decades and

357
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decades so this could be a worldwide

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spying campaign and then that's been

359
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alluded to as well who these belong to

360
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they have them fast up so far you know

361
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they'll probably be Associated fines and

362
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things like that if they're civilians or

363
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you know private entities building these

364
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things but

365
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thus far

366
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they they were just some

367
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all of the confusion that's happened is

368
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a really effective DDOS attack against

369
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the American people in the American

370
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Media we've seen this eat all the air in

371
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the room so it's an effective strategy

372
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so someone in an adversary adversarial

373
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country is getting a pat on the back and

374
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a metal and a promotion this week

375
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because they've caused America to just

376
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almost implode over a bunch of balloons

377
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essentially right or maybe balloons I'll

378
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say just to kind of play Devil's

379
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advocates for the other side a little

380
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bit um the the missing missile or should

381
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I say that the missile really put in

382
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Miss in missile

383
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um they shot two of the one over Lake

384
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Huron I think it is

385
00:13:44,810 --> 00:13:42,899
um and one apparently missed and I've

386
00:13:47,750 --> 00:13:44,820
seen some people kind of go huh did it

387
00:13:49,550 --> 00:13:47,760
did it move or are we talking more that

388
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the radar wasn't able to pick it up so

389
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it didn't really have a lock so it kind

390
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of missed in that way that's a really

391
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curious question I I think if they turn

392
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out to be completely mundane and just

393
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civilian drones or something like that I

394
00:14:05,269 --> 00:14:02,220
think we'll probably hear more about it

395
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if it's more sensitive than that you

396
00:14:09,410 --> 00:14:07,160
know like you were saying about the the

397
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adversary platforms like drones and

398
00:14:13,310 --> 00:14:11,160
things like that if it's something that

399
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they don't want the enemies to know that

400
00:14:18,530 --> 00:14:15,600
they know about then they won't say

401
00:14:20,930 --> 00:14:18,540
anything more so you can kind of see

402
00:14:23,269 --> 00:14:20,940
what it is by how they're acting but

403
00:14:25,129 --> 00:14:23,279
again they're playing into all of these

404
00:14:28,190 --> 00:14:25,139
conspiracy theories by just not talking

405
00:14:29,870 --> 00:14:28,200
to us about it so yeah there's a there's

406
00:14:31,790 --> 00:14:29,880
a little bit of transparency they could

407
00:14:34,009 --> 00:14:31,800
do better with but this is unprecedented

408
00:14:35,990 --> 00:14:34,019
you know 10 years ago we'd never forget

409
00:14:37,850 --> 00:14:36,000
this conversation or this level of

410
00:14:40,069 --> 00:14:37,860
conversation just goes to show how far

411
00:14:41,930 --> 00:14:40,079
we've come should I send Tom Cruise up

412
00:14:43,370 --> 00:14:41,940
because if you watch top gun Maverick he

413
00:14:45,710 --> 00:14:43,380
was pretty pretty Dead Eye wasn't it

414
00:14:47,269 --> 00:14:45,720
yeah

415
00:14:49,430 --> 00:14:47,279
um so

416
00:14:51,230 --> 00:14:49,440
on that we talk about these objects

417
00:14:52,970 --> 00:14:51,240
being shot down whether they wear

418
00:14:54,949 --> 00:14:52,980
Balloons with a payload hanging off of

419
00:14:57,350 --> 00:14:54,959
them and I'm guessing you wouldn't fight

420
00:14:58,730 --> 00:14:57,360
a missile at a balloon but what's

421
00:15:00,769 --> 00:14:58,740
hanging off of the balloon or

422
00:15:02,329 --> 00:15:00,779
potentially inside the balloon if that's

423
00:15:05,030 --> 00:15:02,339
how they were working depending on what

424
00:15:07,550 --> 00:15:05,040
they were they that's I think I fired

425
00:15:09,110 --> 00:15:07,560
them without kind of the Warhead on so

426
00:15:10,970 --> 00:15:09,120
there were no explosions it was more

427
00:15:12,530 --> 00:15:10,980
about you know just making a hole in the

428
00:15:14,689 --> 00:15:12,540
thing and making it a ball kind of just

429
00:15:16,970 --> 00:15:14,699
like a bugatto um well these things came

430
00:15:18,250 --> 00:15:16,980
down I've heard from someone one of them

431
00:15:20,810 --> 00:15:18,260
came down

432
00:15:23,030 --> 00:15:20,820
broken up and it was like glass-like

433
00:15:24,949 --> 00:15:23,040
material

434
00:15:26,990 --> 00:15:24,959
um again that's at the moment hearsay

435
00:15:28,670 --> 00:15:27,000
though uh same yeah we've heard that

436
00:15:30,650 --> 00:15:28,680
they've been broken up we've heard that

437
00:15:32,750 --> 00:15:30,660
they have disappeared or lost the

438
00:15:34,730 --> 00:15:32,760
wreckage how much that's true we don't

439
00:15:36,410 --> 00:15:34,740
know and I would say it's just as likely

440
00:15:38,750 --> 00:15:36,420
that they've actually absolutely found a

441
00:15:39,949 --> 00:15:38,760
wreckage and say it's China's stuff they

442
00:15:41,870 --> 00:15:39,959
just don't want China when they've

443
00:15:43,610 --> 00:15:41,880
recovered it so that would that would

444
00:15:45,350 --> 00:15:43,620
make sense to me but it's equally as

445
00:15:47,329 --> 00:15:45,360
likely the friend we don't know when it

446
00:15:50,150 --> 00:15:47,339
came down maybe it was too small to find

447
00:15:51,710 --> 00:15:50,160
maybe it's gone into ice underwater you

448
00:15:54,230 --> 00:15:51,720
know and in that case it's just really

449
00:15:55,490 --> 00:15:54,240
really difficult and just on that front

450
00:15:56,990 --> 00:15:55,500
I just wanted to touch on because I've

451
00:15:58,430 --> 00:15:57,000
seen a lot of people kind of say how how

452
00:16:01,009 --> 00:15:58,440
can they be tracking it and then not

453
00:16:02,569 --> 00:16:01,019
know where it lands and even when

454
00:16:04,910 --> 00:16:02,579
meteors are coming into the atmosphere

455
00:16:07,129 --> 00:16:04,920
there's a there's a debris field that's

456
00:16:08,150 --> 00:16:07,139
kind of mapped out and depending on a

457
00:16:09,829 --> 00:16:08,160
whole bunch of different factors

458
00:16:11,870 --> 00:16:09,839
including whether it just hits a burn on

459
00:16:14,210 --> 00:16:11,880
the way down or something it can go

460
00:16:15,350 --> 00:16:14,220
anywhere in that area you know there are

461
00:16:17,870 --> 00:16:15,360
still plane crashes that we haven't

462
00:16:19,970 --> 00:16:17,880
found so it's hard to find things and

463
00:16:21,710 --> 00:16:19,980
it's hard to find small things and and I

464
00:16:23,389 --> 00:16:21,720
have read that the one in Alaska at the

465
00:16:25,790 --> 00:16:23,399
very least landed on an ice sheet that's

466
00:16:28,250 --> 00:16:25,800
actually moving so they're having to

467
00:16:30,170 --> 00:16:28,260
kind of model how the ice sheets move

468
00:16:32,329 --> 00:16:30,180
and break up to try and figure out where

469
00:16:34,009 --> 00:16:32,339
it landed and where it will be now uh

470
00:16:35,810 --> 00:16:34,019
it's a remote control a sheet heading

471
00:16:39,769 --> 00:16:35,820
back to China

472
00:16:41,269 --> 00:16:39,779
yeah nice I like it

473
00:16:42,949 --> 00:16:41,279
um I wrote a comic like that when I was

474
00:16:44,930 --> 00:16:42,959
a kid you know but yeah anyway that's

475
00:16:46,189 --> 00:16:44,940
that's by the by so the media coverage

476
00:16:47,870 --> 00:16:46,199
on it has been really interesting like

477
00:16:48,829 --> 00:16:47,880
you see the Pentagon and the White House

478
00:16:50,870 --> 00:16:48,839
are all coming out with different

479
00:16:52,749 --> 00:16:50,880
statements various generals the White

480
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House Press Secretary yesterday

481
00:16:56,269 --> 00:16:55,019
commented on on Valentine's Day I

482
00:16:57,889 --> 00:16:56,279
believe it was

483
00:16:59,749 --> 00:16:57,899
um that I think her name's Karine

484
00:17:01,310 --> 00:16:59,759
Jean-Pierre

485
00:17:03,410 --> 00:17:01,320
um that it was better to ask the

486
00:17:05,990 --> 00:17:03,420
Pentagon but as far as the White House

487
00:17:07,370 --> 00:17:06,000
understands it there is debris but they

488
00:17:09,409 --> 00:17:07,380
can't really comment any further on that

489
00:17:10,970 --> 00:17:09,419
that's the pentagon's job to do we've

490
00:17:13,069 --> 00:17:10,980
heard that they may recover it they

491
00:17:14,809 --> 00:17:13,079
might not be able to recover it this has

492
00:17:16,130 --> 00:17:14,819
obviously been something that the the

493
00:17:17,689 --> 00:17:16,140
mainstream media has picked up on

494
00:17:19,789 --> 00:17:17,699
massively they've seen the word UFO

495
00:17:22,010 --> 00:17:19,799
being thrown around we have seen various

496
00:17:24,409 --> 00:17:22,020
statements from people mentioning that

497
00:17:26,090 --> 00:17:24,419
there are there is no confirmation or

498
00:17:28,490 --> 00:17:26,100
they've not ruled out that it's aliens

499
00:17:29,690 --> 00:17:28,500
or you know non-humans we've seen the

500
00:17:32,270 --> 00:17:29,700
laughing in the background but I've

501
00:17:34,310 --> 00:17:32,280
heard that mentioned more seriously I

502
00:17:36,350 --> 00:17:34,320
don't think honestly and bear in mind

503
00:17:38,690 --> 00:17:36,360
it's called that UFO podcast and started

504
00:17:40,370 --> 00:17:38,700
it to talk about UFOs and aliens I'm not

505
00:17:43,490 --> 00:17:40,380
just pooing it for the sake of it but

506
00:17:46,310 --> 00:17:43,500
for me this wasn't UFOs this wasn't

507
00:17:48,710 --> 00:17:46,320
aliens it wasn't non-human this was some

508
00:17:50,510 --> 00:17:48,720
foreign Tech that was picked up I even

509
00:17:52,730 --> 00:17:50,520
saw at one point Tim McMillan mentioned

510
00:17:55,610 --> 00:17:52,740
he had heard one of the objects was

511
00:17:57,590 --> 00:17:55,620
potentially U.S tech but it was

512
00:17:59,630 --> 00:17:57,600
monitoring weather situation something

513
00:18:02,090 --> 00:17:59,640
like that whatever it may have been

514
00:18:04,130 --> 00:18:02,100
um and we don't know so I don't think

515
00:18:06,830 --> 00:18:04,140
it's anything Sinister in that sense

516
00:18:08,630 --> 00:18:06,840
that that would be so DOD wouldn't it to

517
00:18:10,190 --> 00:18:08,640
be like one of these objects so actually

518
00:18:12,230 --> 00:18:10,200
we blow up and because of the stove

519
00:18:13,730 --> 00:18:12,240
piping and not talking to each other

520
00:18:16,070 --> 00:18:13,740
that they actually blew up something

521
00:18:17,510 --> 00:18:16,080
Advanced that belonged to the US yeah

522
00:18:18,830 --> 00:18:17,520
the way that office scored none of that

523
00:18:20,570 --> 00:18:18,840
was one of ours

524
00:18:22,010 --> 00:18:20,580
um so yeah it's been interesting when I

525
00:18:23,450 --> 00:18:22,020
think what the positives are going to be

526
00:18:27,049 --> 00:18:23,460
and I speak to Tim McMillan about this

527
00:18:28,730 --> 00:18:27,059
is that it's made one more folks poke

528
00:18:30,049 --> 00:18:28,740
their head in the UFO door so if you're

529
00:18:32,750 --> 00:18:30,059
just listening to this and just getting

530
00:18:35,029 --> 00:18:32,760
an interest in the UFO subject hi don't

531
00:18:36,409 --> 00:18:35,039
let it scare you off because there is a

532
00:18:38,630 --> 00:18:36,419
lot of really interesting data out there

533
00:18:40,490 --> 00:18:38,640
and and more and more to come but I

534
00:18:41,870 --> 00:18:40,500
think this is the beginning of what

535
00:18:46,010 --> 00:18:41,880
we've been talking about now for years

536
00:18:48,049 --> 00:18:46,020
more pilots more Personnel more not

537
00:18:49,669 --> 00:18:48,059
transparency necessarily but more

538
00:18:51,650 --> 00:18:49,679
willing to talk willingness to talk

539
00:18:53,570 --> 00:18:51,660
about and investigate the subject which

540
00:18:56,390 --> 00:18:53,580
means more reports are going to come in

541
00:18:57,890 --> 00:18:56,400
like we heard about on the US and the

542
00:19:00,950 --> 00:18:57,900
Canadian reports

543
00:19:03,230 --> 00:19:00,960
and we're going to see more clutter more

544
00:19:04,610 --> 00:19:03,240
debris more misidentifications that's

545
00:19:06,049 --> 00:19:04,620
something I spoke to Chris later about

546
00:19:08,990 --> 00:19:06,059
which is out just now

547
00:19:10,730 --> 00:19:09,000
um and and he's a pilot who himself I

548
00:19:13,310 --> 00:19:10,740
asked him you know how often do pilots

549
00:19:16,130 --> 00:19:13,320
misidentify things and he said the best

550
00:19:18,650 --> 00:19:16,140
Pilots regularly misidentify things and

551
00:19:20,210 --> 00:19:18,660
if they're honest they will say that

552
00:19:21,529 --> 00:19:20,220
um which is which was really interesting

553
00:19:23,330 --> 00:19:21,539
to hear he wasn't you know just being

554
00:19:26,210 --> 00:19:23,340
you know pig-headed and saying no the

555
00:19:28,909 --> 00:19:26,220
the trendola cream Top Guns don't

556
00:19:30,950 --> 00:19:28,919
but I think this means that we're more

557
00:19:33,850 --> 00:19:30,960
likely to get

558
00:19:37,310 --> 00:19:33,860
proper UFOs as we know and love them

559
00:19:40,610 --> 00:19:37,320
being reported and potentially captured

560
00:19:42,169 --> 00:19:40,620
and discussed more openly that's going

561
00:19:44,330 --> 00:19:42,179
to be the big positive for this for me

562
00:19:46,549 --> 00:19:44,340
not that's not in this occasion it's not

563
00:19:47,870 --> 00:19:46,559
UFOs but I don't know what your thoughts

564
00:19:50,090 --> 00:19:47,880
on that Dan

565
00:19:50,990 --> 00:19:50,100
yeah I would agree this whole thing is

566
00:19:53,090 --> 00:19:51,000
going to be really interesting because

567
00:19:55,250 --> 00:19:53,100
we're going to see the kind of the myth

568
00:19:57,409 --> 00:19:55,260
making that happens in this kind of

569
00:19:58,789 --> 00:19:57,419
subject you know we're in 10 years time

570
00:20:00,049 --> 00:19:58,799
we're going to look back on a lot of the

571
00:20:01,310 --> 00:20:00,059
subtleties of this moment are going to

572
00:20:03,590 --> 00:20:01,320
be lost and people are just going to

573
00:20:05,750 --> 00:20:03,600
call them UFOs unless unless we kind of

574
00:20:08,210 --> 00:20:05,760
get more of them but I think ultimately

575
00:20:13,010 --> 00:20:08,220
you're right like these these seem to be

576
00:20:15,169 --> 00:20:13,020
prosaic but the conversation is now huge

577
00:20:17,210 --> 00:20:15,179
you know we're talking we've had like 15

578
00:20:19,070 --> 00:20:17,220
different definitions of UFO and UAP

579
00:20:20,630 --> 00:20:19,080
from different Senators over the past

580
00:20:22,730 --> 00:20:20,640
few days it's hard to keep up with them

581
00:20:24,650 --> 00:20:22,740
but it's really exciting to hear them

582
00:20:26,150 --> 00:20:24,660
talking about them and when I say

583
00:20:27,650 --> 00:20:26,160
exciting that might not be exact you

584
00:20:28,909 --> 00:20:27,660
know in Independence Day when the guy's

585
00:20:30,169 --> 00:20:28,919
like it's been an exciting week and

586
00:20:31,850 --> 00:20:30,179
they're like really is exciting the

587
00:20:34,190 --> 00:20:31,860
words you would use yeah

588
00:20:36,409 --> 00:20:34,200
um but it's it's great that the

589
00:20:38,090 --> 00:20:36,419
attention is on this because we we know

590
00:20:40,549 --> 00:20:38,100
there's something there we know this has

591
00:20:42,230 --> 00:20:40,559
gone back to you know decades centuries

592
00:20:44,210 --> 00:20:42,240
but I'll say decades because that's what

593
00:20:45,950 --> 00:20:44,220
we have radar readings for

594
00:20:47,750 --> 00:20:45,960
um we've had various generals throughout

595
00:20:49,070 --> 00:20:47,760
those decades kind of saying this is a

596
00:20:50,510 --> 00:20:49,080
real phenomena there's something there

597
00:20:52,610 --> 00:20:50,520
you know China weren't sending up

598
00:20:54,289 --> 00:20:52,620
balloons in the 40s for example or they

599
00:20:55,490 --> 00:20:54,299
might have been you know someone will

600
00:20:56,390 --> 00:20:55,500
probably write in and educate me a

601
00:20:59,510 --> 00:20:56,400
little

602
00:21:01,850 --> 00:20:59,520
um but point is there's a lot of data

603
00:21:04,010 --> 00:21:01,860
here to discuss it's not just there's

604
00:21:07,370 --> 00:21:04,020
nothing else here like there is

605
00:21:09,770 --> 00:21:07,380
something other that we're not sure what

606
00:21:11,450 --> 00:21:09,780
it is you know Obama has spoken about it

607
00:21:13,250 --> 00:21:11,460
without great quote where he says you

608
00:21:15,049 --> 00:21:13,260
know there are objects so we don't know

609
00:21:17,990 --> 00:21:15,059
the the movements and the signatures

610
00:21:19,730 --> 00:21:18,000
they kind of elude

611
00:21:21,590 --> 00:21:19,740
um they're not these balloons they're

612
00:21:23,450 --> 00:21:21,600
more what we see think of when we look

613
00:21:24,890 --> 00:21:23,460
at the Tic Tac with the movement the the

614
00:21:29,210 --> 00:21:24,900
kind of the ping pong ball movement that

615
00:21:31,010 --> 00:21:29,220
Dave described yeah so we've got a lot

616
00:21:34,370 --> 00:21:31,020
of these odd objects that are about to

617
00:21:36,470 --> 00:21:34,380
get a lot more attention so

618
00:21:38,029 --> 00:21:36,480
all conversation about this subject is

619
00:21:39,950 --> 00:21:38,039
good because it just brings more people

620
00:21:42,669 --> 00:21:39,960
into the ring and this week people have

621
00:21:45,289 --> 00:21:42,679
seen in a much more subtle real-life way

622
00:21:47,390 --> 00:21:45,299
how these things can be present and how

623
00:21:49,250 --> 00:21:47,400
this might all play out if in fact you

624
00:21:50,390 --> 00:21:49,260
know we discover something spectacular

625
00:21:52,850 --> 00:21:50,400
is here

626
00:21:55,330 --> 00:21:52,860
well that'll take us nicely on to Tim

627
00:21:58,130 --> 00:21:55,340
McMillan Tim McMillan co-founder of the

628
00:22:00,890 --> 00:21:58,140
debrief.org along with Micah Hanks MJ

629
00:22:03,590 --> 00:22:00,900
benais and many others now involved over

630
00:22:05,450 --> 00:22:03,600
there too uh Tim joined me a couple of

631
00:22:08,149 --> 00:22:05,460
days ago as we knew about the photo

632
00:22:09,830 --> 00:22:08,159
object to discuss what was going on what

633
00:22:12,230 --> 00:22:09,840
was being said more of the statements

634
00:22:14,570 --> 00:22:12,240
coming out from various aspects of the

635
00:22:16,370 --> 00:22:14,580
US government and Military and also has

636
00:22:18,409 --> 00:22:16,380
thoughts on what might be going on from

637
00:22:20,810 --> 00:22:18,419
a national security point of view but

638
00:22:23,029 --> 00:22:20,820
also generally from an unknown anomalous

639
00:22:25,070 --> 00:22:23,039
point of view as well uh Dan you'll be

640
00:22:26,570 --> 00:22:25,080
back with me next week probably and

641
00:22:28,610 --> 00:22:26,580
we'll be looking at some of the news

642
00:22:30,649 --> 00:22:28,620
items the follow-up and the Fallout from

643
00:22:32,210 --> 00:22:30,659
this and some other bits and pieces that

644
00:22:34,190 --> 00:22:32,220
are coming out as well yeah yeah

645
00:22:36,049 --> 00:22:34,200
absolutely you know we've got a couple

646
00:22:37,850 --> 00:22:36,059
of episodes of merch to discuss some

647
00:22:39,350 --> 00:22:37,860
some cool things from the weaponized

648
00:22:41,450 --> 00:22:39,360
podcast as well

649
00:22:43,370 --> 00:22:41,460
um and as well as that Leslie Kane's new

650
00:22:46,010 --> 00:22:43,380
series UFOs like investigate in the

651
00:22:47,630 --> 00:22:46,020
unknown uh that started yesterday for

652
00:22:49,669 --> 00:22:47,640
people in America that will be on Hulu

653
00:22:50,870 --> 00:22:49,679
now um that's a fun word to say isn't it

654
00:22:52,970 --> 00:22:50,880
but

655
00:22:54,950 --> 00:22:52,980
um we don't have access yet being UK

656
00:22:56,930 --> 00:22:54,960
dwellers but I'm sure we will soon I've

657
00:22:58,370 --> 00:22:56,940
heard very good things about it and it's

658
00:23:00,890 --> 00:22:58,380
perfectly timed with all this balloon

659
00:23:02,210 --> 00:23:00,900
stuff going on absolutely yeah and any

660
00:23:03,770 --> 00:23:02,220
other news that kind of drops in the

661
00:23:05,990 --> 00:23:03,780
meantime once Tim McMillan is finished

662
00:23:08,330 --> 00:23:06,000
we'll go straight into the kind of

663
00:23:10,549 --> 00:23:08,340
14-minute piece with Chris Krakowski and

664
00:23:12,770 --> 00:23:10,559
Chris joined me uh civilian researcher

665
00:23:15,169 --> 00:23:12,780
from Canada to talk about the recently

666
00:23:17,750 --> 00:23:15,179
released Canadian UFO report covering

667
00:23:20,090 --> 00:23:17,760
UFO reports in Canada as it says on the

668
00:23:21,529 --> 00:23:20,100
tin from the year 2022 so really

669
00:23:23,690 --> 00:23:21,539
interesting one there to finish off to

670
00:23:26,090 --> 00:23:23,700
so Dan thanks for joining me

671
00:23:28,070 --> 00:23:26,100
thank you and uh to anyone going to

672
00:23:30,110 --> 00:23:28,080
watch it enjoy Quantum mania this week

673
00:23:32,090 --> 00:23:30,120
I'm very excited as a Marvel fan to

674
00:23:33,890 --> 00:23:32,100
watch this one yes I've got my tickets

675
00:23:35,930 --> 00:23:33,900
for Saturday morning so yeah looking

676
00:23:37,250 --> 00:23:35,940
forward to seeing that Ant-Man on the

677
00:23:40,909 --> 00:23:37,260
big screen

678
00:23:42,230 --> 00:23:40,919
some kind of joke there and I've messed

679
00:23:44,870 --> 00:23:42,240
up leave it in though here's Tim

680
00:23:47,210 --> 00:23:44,880
McMillan joining me to discuss the

681
00:23:49,490 --> 00:23:47,220
latest on the unidentified objects being

682
00:23:51,830 --> 00:23:49,500
shot down over various parts of the US

683
00:23:54,070 --> 00:23:51,840
and Canada and potentially outside of

684
00:23:56,630 --> 00:23:54,080
which I have co-founder of the

685
00:23:58,789 --> 00:23:56,640
debrief.org and journalist Tim McMillan

686
00:24:00,470 --> 00:23:58,799
Tim welcome back to the podcast hey Andy

687
00:24:04,310 --> 00:24:00,480
always good to be here man thanks thanks

688
00:24:05,810 --> 00:24:04,320
for having me on weird time yeah very

689
00:24:08,210 --> 00:24:05,820
strange times and I've just said to you

690
00:24:09,770 --> 00:24:08,220
I'm glad you think so too now we're

691
00:24:11,810 --> 00:24:09,780
discussing and I've just been discussing

692
00:24:14,870 --> 00:24:11,820
with Dan if I get this edited correctly

693
00:24:16,370 --> 00:24:14,880
the reports of well it's not even

694
00:24:18,950 --> 00:24:16,380
reports I've seen the video haven't made

695
00:24:20,750 --> 00:24:18,960
this all started a week ago or so with a

696
00:24:23,270 --> 00:24:20,760
balloon hovering over the United States

697
00:24:25,190 --> 00:24:23,280
it was filmed by a few people they saw

698
00:24:27,230 --> 00:24:25,200
the object sitting in the sky good

699
00:24:30,649 --> 00:24:27,240
camera zoom they managed to get a good

700
00:24:32,450 --> 00:24:30,659
picture of uh quote unquote UFO and we

701
00:24:34,970 --> 00:24:32,460
quickly found out it was a Chinese

702
00:24:35,990 --> 00:24:34,980
spyball and and it was floating up there

703
00:24:37,190 --> 00:24:36,000
didn't we

704
00:24:39,830 --> 00:24:37,200
um what were your thoughts at the time

705
00:24:42,350 --> 00:24:39,840
first saw that story breaking yeah it

706
00:24:44,270 --> 00:24:42,360
wasn't that really wasn't surprising so

707
00:24:46,190 --> 00:24:44,280
the first one is intriguing I think the

708
00:24:48,470 --> 00:24:46,200
most intriguing thing is the fact that

709
00:24:50,810 --> 00:24:48,480
uh you know this was a very substantial

710
00:24:53,330 --> 00:24:50,820
uh spot alone there's a potential

711
00:24:55,730 --> 00:24:53,340
massive payload very massive and it was

712
00:24:57,710 --> 00:24:55,740
relatively low I mean it was about 60

713
00:25:00,909 --> 00:24:57,720
000 feet so it was above air traffic

714
00:25:03,169 --> 00:25:00,919
civil air traffic but in terms of for

715
00:25:05,029 --> 00:25:03,179
surveillance reconnaissance platforms

716
00:25:06,890 --> 00:25:05,039
which is what we it is believed to be

717
00:25:08,930 --> 00:25:06,900
that's pretty low because it was

718
00:25:10,610 --> 00:25:08,940
detectable from the ground from the

719
00:25:12,770 --> 00:25:10,620
naked eye people include good clear

720
00:25:14,630 --> 00:25:12,780
visibility people could see it people

721
00:25:17,510 --> 00:25:14,640
were taking pictures of it so that's a

722
00:25:19,669 --> 00:25:17,520
little surreal uh and and I'm inclined

723
00:25:21,409 --> 00:25:19,679
to believe that that something got

724
00:25:22,970 --> 00:25:21,419
screwed up there I mean there's been a

725
00:25:25,070 --> 00:25:22,980
lot of speculation I think some people

726
00:25:27,409 --> 00:25:25,080
have speculated it was an intentional

727
00:25:30,710 --> 00:25:27,419
provocation from China

728
00:25:32,750 --> 00:25:30,720
um that would really cut against Chinese

729
00:25:34,850 --> 00:25:32,760
Doctrine and how they go about things

730
00:25:38,450 --> 00:25:34,860
typically they really try to be a lot

731
00:25:40,850 --> 00:25:38,460
more subtle and they try to deal back a

732
00:25:42,649 --> 00:25:40,860
lot of the the pressure they'd rather

733
00:25:44,510 --> 00:25:42,659
kind of you know you let them in the

734
00:25:46,070 --> 00:25:44,520
front door and they rob you that then

735
00:25:49,070 --> 00:25:46,080
scare you into breaking the door down

736
00:25:51,289 --> 00:25:49,080
and so that was odd it was odd

737
00:25:53,090 --> 00:25:51,299
um and then you know when they shot it

738
00:25:55,010 --> 00:25:53,100
down off the coast of Carolina so you

739
00:25:56,990 --> 00:25:55,020
know they let this thing Traverse the

740
00:26:00,130 --> 00:25:57,000
entire U.S they gathered all this Intel

741
00:26:03,169 --> 00:26:00,140
from it then shot it down uh a pretty

742
00:26:05,570 --> 00:26:03,179
unique event I think that was you know

743
00:26:08,510 --> 00:26:05,580
kind of exciting event I think the the

744
00:26:10,070 --> 00:26:08,520
shoot down was really probably uh

745
00:26:11,930 --> 00:26:10,080
politically motivated because that point

746
00:26:14,930 --> 00:26:11,940
it was it was getting ready to leave the

747
00:26:17,149 --> 00:26:14,940
U.S territory you know there wasn't

748
00:26:19,669 --> 00:26:17,159
what benefit did you get other than

749
00:26:20,990 --> 00:26:19,679
capturing the the platform itself and

750
00:26:22,549 --> 00:26:21,000
the payload and learning whatever you

751
00:26:23,990 --> 00:26:22,559
could from it

752
00:26:25,430 --> 00:26:24,000
um and so it did I think from that

753
00:26:27,830 --> 00:26:25,440
regard it served its purpose as well

754
00:26:30,049 --> 00:26:27,840
because I know a lot of people in the

755
00:26:31,970 --> 00:26:30,059
states were yeah we shot it down it was

756
00:26:32,750 --> 00:26:31,980
kind of moral Victory like you've done

757
00:26:35,690 --> 00:26:32,760
something

758
00:26:36,409 --> 00:26:35,700
so that first incident

759
00:26:39,710 --> 00:26:36,419
um

760
00:26:41,690 --> 00:26:39,720
was intriguing it but not on you know

761
00:26:43,490 --> 00:26:41,700
not totally out of the room it's not

762
00:26:45,110 --> 00:26:43,500
unprecedented we know everybody spies on

763
00:26:48,110 --> 00:26:45,120
each other and frankly this idea of

764
00:26:50,330 --> 00:26:48,120
using high altitudes Babylons is uh it's

765
00:26:53,210 --> 00:26:50,340
smart there's very good reasons why uh

766
00:26:55,490 --> 00:26:53,220
nations would do that and certainly do

767
00:26:59,269 --> 00:26:55,500
clearly do that to each other so this

768
00:27:00,649 --> 00:26:59,279
first one is fun to watch it gave a

769
00:27:02,990 --> 00:27:00,659
little hoop a lot a little excitement

770
00:27:06,289 --> 00:27:03,000
not nearly as weird as what we're seeing

771
00:27:08,149 --> 00:27:06,299
now in recent days well yeah so

772
00:27:10,190 --> 00:27:08,159
consequently and like you say we saw

773
00:27:12,470 --> 00:27:10,200
that play out in the media it was pecked

774
00:27:13,730 --> 00:27:12,480
up and I've had a few chats with various

775
00:27:17,029 --> 00:27:13,740
people and

776
00:27:19,610 --> 00:27:17,039
I'm guessing this kind of stuff happens

777
00:27:21,590 --> 00:27:19,620
maybe not so publicly but more more

778
00:27:24,230 --> 00:27:21,600
often than we think that some kind of

779
00:27:27,649 --> 00:27:24,240
spy technology is picked up by another

780
00:27:29,930 --> 00:27:27,659
country and it's either ignored or is

781
00:27:32,630 --> 00:27:29,940
dealt with but it doesn't happen live on

782
00:27:34,850 --> 00:27:32,640
Fox live on CNN you know live around the

783
00:27:36,289 --> 00:27:34,860
world would that be correct or is it

784
00:27:38,990 --> 00:27:36,299
still unusual for that kind of thing to

785
00:27:40,850 --> 00:27:39,000
happen no it's still unusual and I I

786
00:27:42,769 --> 00:27:40,860
think the idea of countries spying on

787
00:27:44,330 --> 00:27:42,779
each other isn't okay so we know we do

788
00:27:47,149 --> 00:27:44,340
that we know you know whether it's

789
00:27:48,950 --> 00:27:47,159
high-flying man platforms or satellites

790
00:27:51,529 --> 00:27:48,960
we know this goes on

791
00:27:53,450 --> 00:27:51,539
um but the idea that it go I guess what

792
00:27:55,430 --> 00:27:53,460
is an unusual is this idea that it goes

793
00:27:57,110 --> 00:27:55,440
on undetected or excuse me it goes

794
00:27:59,870 --> 00:27:57,120
undetected quite frequently and we don't

795
00:28:03,549 --> 00:27:59,880
hear about it when you know in reality

796
00:28:05,990 --> 00:28:03,559
uh it's extremely difficult to detect

797
00:28:07,730 --> 00:28:06,000
balloons especially these high altitude

798
00:28:09,529 --> 00:28:07,740
balloons or even some of the ones I'm

799
00:28:11,690 --> 00:28:09,539
sure we'll get into more recently yeah

800
00:28:14,750 --> 00:28:11,700
they've been down

801
00:28:16,370 --> 00:28:14,760
it is not easy to detect these systems

802
00:28:17,870 --> 00:28:16,380
even from your ground-based radar

803
00:28:20,330 --> 00:28:17,880
systems even from your Airborne even

804
00:28:22,669 --> 00:28:20,340
from your fancy military uh Doppler

805
00:28:26,450 --> 00:28:22,679
radar systems I think people to a

806
00:28:28,070 --> 00:28:26,460
certain extent have a an idea of any

807
00:28:29,930 --> 00:28:28,080
radar capability so it doesn't matter

808
00:28:31,190 --> 00:28:29,940
the United States but anybody's Nation

809
00:28:33,110 --> 00:28:31,200
this beliefs that they have this

810
00:28:34,430 --> 00:28:33,120
omnipotent view of their sky and they're

811
00:28:36,169 --> 00:28:34,440
like oh yeah of course this stuff

812
00:28:37,610 --> 00:28:36,179
probably floats in all the time they

813
00:28:40,549 --> 00:28:37,620
just ignore it they don't shoot it down

814
00:28:42,890 --> 00:28:40,559
it doesn't make news when in reality in

815
00:28:44,630 --> 00:28:42,900
particular in these instances we're

816
00:28:46,370 --> 00:28:44,640
talking about now where we're talking

817
00:28:50,029 --> 00:28:46,380
about something that is extremely slow

818
00:28:52,190 --> 00:28:50,039
moving so balloon like and movement uh

819
00:28:54,769 --> 00:28:52,200
you know in in the case of the the first

820
00:28:57,830 --> 00:28:54,779
instance definitely a balloon these are

821
00:29:00,110 --> 00:28:57,840
very slow moving objects uh and so these

822
00:29:02,690 --> 00:29:00,120
are objects that that your Doppler radar

823
00:29:05,630 --> 00:29:02,700
systems you know which Doppler radar

824
00:29:07,610 --> 00:29:05,640
accounts for 99.9 of all the radar

825
00:29:09,590 --> 00:29:07,620
systems whether it's civil or military

826
00:29:11,750 --> 00:29:09,600
so even you you would be your phased

827
00:29:13,549 --> 00:29:11,760
array like the fancy Radars in the F-18

828
00:29:15,409 --> 00:29:13,559
did you hear about and all this time oh

829
00:29:17,390 --> 00:29:15,419
they had the phased array

830
00:29:20,210 --> 00:29:17,400
um those are still Doppler radar systems

831
00:29:22,610 --> 00:29:20,220
and one of the principal components that

832
00:29:25,130 --> 00:29:22,620
you need for it to pick up anything is

833
00:29:27,049 --> 00:29:25,140
movement so it needs that movement to

834
00:29:28,850 --> 00:29:27,059
relay back velocity direction and travel

835
00:29:29,870 --> 00:29:28,860
that kind of stuff so balloons and these

836
00:29:33,409 --> 00:29:29,880
types of things that are moving

837
00:29:35,269 --> 00:29:33,419
exceptionally slow are uh ignored that

838
00:29:36,950 --> 00:29:35,279
they're you know discriminated against

839
00:29:39,889 --> 00:29:36,960
it comes out in the chatter and they're

840
00:29:42,190 --> 00:29:39,899
just ignored by those systems so uh you

841
00:29:44,570 --> 00:29:42,200
know this idea that we regularly

842
00:29:47,510 --> 00:29:44,580
encounter balloons and just don't make

843
00:29:49,010 --> 00:29:47,520
it public it's not necessarily true you

844
00:29:51,470 --> 00:29:49,020
know I I don't know that that's that's

845
00:29:53,810 --> 00:29:51,480
the case we probably do

846
00:29:55,789 --> 00:29:53,820
but it's not nearly as frequently as

847
00:29:57,830 --> 00:29:55,799
people assume

848
00:29:59,389 --> 00:29:57,840
okay now that makes me think straight

849
00:30:01,970 --> 00:29:59,399
away and before we get to those other

850
00:30:03,590 --> 00:30:01,980
three uh cases that have kind of

851
00:30:08,090 --> 00:30:03,600
happened recently

852
00:30:11,330 --> 00:30:08,100
I said a good chance then that Pilots

853
00:30:13,730 --> 00:30:11,340
flying at speed and altitude not seeing

854
00:30:16,610 --> 00:30:13,740
these things on their equipment from a

855
00:30:18,769 --> 00:30:16,620
cockpit could whiz past one of these and

856
00:30:21,889 --> 00:30:18,779
it gets snapped on a cell phone like we

857
00:30:24,590 --> 00:30:21,899
saw pictures last year or so or we hear

858
00:30:28,070 --> 00:30:24,600
reports of and they come back as UAP or

859
00:30:30,470 --> 00:30:28,080
UFOs is that then likely to account for

860
00:30:32,029 --> 00:30:30,480
at least some of these other reports

861
00:30:35,510 --> 00:30:32,039
that are getting filtered into UAP

862
00:30:38,750 --> 00:30:35,520
reports sure no I think that's I think I

863
00:30:40,730 --> 00:30:38,760
think that has always been uh you know a

864
00:30:43,549 --> 00:30:40,740
leading hypothesis for a lot of the the

865
00:30:45,830 --> 00:30:43,559
that's a lot let me walk that back for

866
00:30:47,570 --> 00:30:45,840
at least some of these UAP reports that

867
00:30:50,090 --> 00:30:47,580
you've heard about particularly kind of

868
00:30:52,490 --> 00:30:50,100
the scenario you just uh you just

869
00:30:54,649 --> 00:30:52,500
mentioned we're a pilot excuse me

870
00:30:57,110 --> 00:30:54,659
is flying along and suddenly there's an

871
00:30:58,610 --> 00:30:57,120
object whoa where did that come from I

872
00:31:00,769 --> 00:30:58,620
never saw on the radar that type of

873
00:31:03,889 --> 00:31:00,779
thing absolutely I think that those are

874
00:31:05,450 --> 00:31:03,899
scenarios that that fit uh that balloon

875
00:31:07,430 --> 00:31:05,460
all the characteristics of a balloon

876
00:31:09,529 --> 00:31:07,440
object so slow moving not being picked

877
00:31:12,049 --> 00:31:09,539
up even by the phased array and it

878
00:31:13,010 --> 00:31:12,059
doesn't matter then it's important it

879
00:31:15,409 --> 00:31:13,020
doesn't matter if you've got the whole

880
00:31:17,149 --> 00:31:15,419
Carrier Group around you there's just

881
00:31:19,190 --> 00:31:17,159
certain characteristics of Doppler radar

882
00:31:21,950 --> 00:31:19,200
that are meant to ignore slow-moving

883
00:31:23,690 --> 00:31:21,960
balloons and so nobody's picking it up

884
00:31:25,730 --> 00:31:23,700
and so that you could just pop in and

885
00:31:27,769 --> 00:31:25,740
pass it absolutely I think that

886
00:31:31,070 --> 00:31:27,779
certainly could account for it I think

887
00:31:33,350 --> 00:31:31,080
that the uh photo of the silver object

888
00:31:35,149 --> 00:31:33,360
that that made it into the UAP task

889
00:31:37,549 --> 00:31:35,159
force report you know we released on the

890
00:31:39,409 --> 00:31:37,559
debrief and then later uh George Knapp

891
00:31:41,630 --> 00:31:39,419
and Jeremy Corbell released more

892
00:31:43,730 --> 00:31:41,640
photographs of that same series I think

893
00:31:46,190 --> 00:31:43,740
even when we first reported that we said

894
00:31:47,630 --> 00:31:46,200
it looks like a balloon everybody we

895
00:31:50,510 --> 00:31:47,640
don't know we don't know what was weird

896
00:31:52,370 --> 00:31:50,520
about it that kind of thing and um I

897
00:31:55,730 --> 00:31:52,380
think it it certainly was included in

898
00:31:58,130 --> 00:31:55,740
the reports as objects that are in

899
00:32:00,409 --> 00:31:58,140
restricted airspace that are indeed

900
00:32:01,909 --> 00:32:00,419
unidentified and and that that

901
00:32:03,350 --> 00:32:01,919
particular series with those photographs

902
00:32:04,970 --> 00:32:03,360
I think there may have been some some

903
00:32:07,250 --> 00:32:04,980
other characteristics with it but it

904
00:32:09,049 --> 00:32:07,260
made it odd as well

905
00:32:11,029 --> 00:32:09,059
um it could be consistent with some type

906
00:32:13,610 --> 00:32:11,039
of surveillance or spot alone so that

907
00:32:15,289 --> 00:32:13,620
odd characteristics could be uh you know

908
00:32:17,690 --> 00:32:15,299
that it was putting off some emissions I

909
00:32:19,669 --> 00:32:17,700
don't know but but uh that doesn't

910
00:32:22,010 --> 00:32:19,679
necessarily mean that there's anything

911
00:32:24,350 --> 00:32:22,020
beyond that per se so I think that that

912
00:32:26,990 --> 00:32:24,360
definitely could account for that on the

913
00:32:29,630 --> 00:32:27,000
flip side of that the the the the

914
00:32:31,370 --> 00:32:29,640
otter thing is where you you exactly

915
00:32:33,649 --> 00:32:31,380
flip that scenario and we heard that

916
00:32:34,690 --> 00:32:33,659
same thing with a lot of the pilots the

917
00:32:38,090 --> 00:32:34,700
the

918
00:32:39,649 --> 00:32:38,100
2014-2015 East Coast where you had um

919
00:32:41,870 --> 00:32:39,659
you know Ryan Graves has spoken to this

920
00:32:44,870 --> 00:32:41,880
where you're they were getting radar

921
00:32:46,730 --> 00:32:44,880
returns but not seeing them visually so

922
00:32:48,710 --> 00:32:46,740
that's the opposite you know balloon's

923
00:32:50,570 --> 00:32:48,720
very slow moving objects you wouldn't

924
00:32:52,430 --> 00:32:50,580
pick up on radar but you would see

925
00:32:54,769 --> 00:32:52,440
visually so that's a little bit interest

926
00:32:56,750 --> 00:32:54,779
thing in I think in those cases that's

927
00:32:59,269 --> 00:32:56,760
that's much more difficult to just

928
00:33:02,389 --> 00:32:59,279
automatically say oh put in that balloon

929
00:33:04,130 --> 00:33:02,399
category and so but yeah I think I think

930
00:33:06,470 --> 00:33:04,140
certainly there's plenty of instances

931
00:33:08,450 --> 00:33:06,480
where that certainly could have happened

932
00:33:10,190 --> 00:33:08,460
I think there's been a if anyone's on

933
00:33:12,049 --> 00:33:10,200
the social media chat the last week or

934
00:33:14,330 --> 00:33:12,059
so there's a lot of people on both

935
00:33:16,130 --> 00:33:14,340
extremes of the camp of look this

936
00:33:18,350 --> 00:33:16,140
explains that all UFO sightings are

937
00:33:19,850 --> 00:33:18,360
balloons and there's also the folks who

938
00:33:21,830 --> 00:33:19,860
are very set in their ways that know

939
00:33:23,389 --> 00:33:21,840
these are definitely alien spacecraft of

940
00:33:24,710 --> 00:33:23,399
some type and the governments are

941
00:33:26,930 --> 00:33:24,720
keeping this all secret and using

942
00:33:28,310 --> 00:33:26,940
balloons and it's been difficult to Wade

943
00:33:30,049 --> 00:33:28,320
through that and find that logical

944
00:33:32,269 --> 00:33:30,059
discussion in the discussion in the

945
00:33:34,130 --> 00:33:32,279
middle at times where to say look you

946
00:33:37,190 --> 00:33:34,140
can't account for either or for these

947
00:33:39,230 --> 00:33:37,200
all being one thing so that first one we

948
00:33:41,570 --> 00:33:39,240
definitely know was a Chinese spibelin

949
00:33:43,310 --> 00:33:41,580
it moved on though didn't it that all of

950
00:33:45,350 --> 00:33:43,320
a sudden another object was picked up

951
00:33:47,029 --> 00:33:45,360
and then another and then another so

952
00:33:49,190 --> 00:33:47,039
we're at the point now as we record this

953
00:33:51,769 --> 00:33:49,200
it's the 13th of February and in the

954
00:33:53,810 --> 00:33:51,779
last what 12 hours or so a fourth object

955
00:33:55,669 --> 00:33:53,820
has been tracked confirmed

956
00:33:57,110 --> 00:33:55,679
what is going on in term that we've now

957
00:33:59,509 --> 00:33:57,120
got three if you want to just show your

958
00:34:02,570 --> 00:33:59,519
thoughts with with these now it is

959
00:34:05,330 --> 00:34:02,580
getting weird you know it really is this

960
00:34:07,430 --> 00:34:05,340
is strange and I will say at this point

961
00:34:08,450 --> 00:34:07,440
what we know right now

962
00:34:10,190 --> 00:34:08,460
um you know and I've seen those same

963
00:34:12,470 --> 00:34:10,200
extremes that you mentioned on on social

964
00:34:15,349 --> 00:34:12,480
media and Twitter like aha this all

965
00:34:19,129 --> 00:34:15,359
proves their balloons I think that it's

966
00:34:20,750 --> 00:34:19,139
uh extremely early and presumptuous to

967
00:34:23,869 --> 00:34:20,760
to say that even the three and four

968
00:34:26,869 --> 00:34:23,879
objects uh you know in recent days so

969
00:34:28,369 --> 00:34:26,879
past the Chinese balloon to conclude

970
00:34:31,250 --> 00:34:28,379
that those are balloons I think that

971
00:34:34,550 --> 00:34:31,260
that's too early to conclude in fact uh

972
00:34:38,089 --> 00:34:34,560
the Pentagon has uh has been very

973
00:34:39,829 --> 00:34:38,099
strangely and forcefully uh refused to

974
00:34:43,010 --> 00:34:39,839
describe these as balloons and continues

975
00:34:44,990 --> 00:34:43,020
to call them objects and and you know we

976
00:34:47,149 --> 00:34:45,000
we had norad's Commander do a press

977
00:34:49,609 --> 00:34:47,159
conference last night during the middle

978
00:34:51,169 --> 00:34:49,619
of the Super Bowl of all things you know

979
00:34:52,669 --> 00:34:51,179
saying that he would not categorize

980
00:34:54,470 --> 00:34:52,679
these as balloons so I think it's early

981
00:34:56,810 --> 00:34:54,480
there you know these are these are

982
00:34:58,270 --> 00:34:56,820
objects and so a couple of things that

983
00:35:01,310 --> 00:34:58,280
are strange here

984
00:35:02,630 --> 00:35:01,320
first that we're picking them up so

985
00:35:05,030 --> 00:35:02,640
everything I just described before about

986
00:35:06,950 --> 00:35:05,040
how difficult it is to pick up slow

987
00:35:08,770 --> 00:35:06,960
moving objects or balloons so the fact

988
00:35:11,390 --> 00:35:08,780
that we're picking them up is intriguing

989
00:35:13,370 --> 00:35:11,400
uh the fact that we're picking them up

990
00:35:15,890 --> 00:35:13,380
with a frequency we have seen in the

991
00:35:18,109 --> 00:35:15,900
last couple days suggests to me that

992
00:35:19,910 --> 00:35:18,119
that perhaps after the first five

993
00:35:23,510 --> 00:35:19,920
balloon case

994
00:35:25,250 --> 00:35:23,520
um NORAD has at least put some of their

995
00:35:28,250 --> 00:35:25,260
radar systems some of their air defense

996
00:35:31,069 --> 00:35:28,260
systems they've they've dialed up the

997
00:35:32,569 --> 00:35:31,079
frequency and the best way to explain it

998
00:35:34,790 --> 00:35:32,579
is they discern it so you're spinning

999
00:35:37,370 --> 00:35:34,800
out these Doppler radar radio frequency

1000
00:35:39,290 --> 00:35:37,380
waves if you spin out too many of them

1001
00:35:41,030 --> 00:35:39,300
you're gonna get they're going to be

1002
00:35:42,950 --> 00:35:41,040
absorbed and returned to you from every

1003
00:35:44,089 --> 00:35:42,960
object encounter so mountains so you're

1004
00:35:45,589 --> 00:35:44,099
talking about Canada and everything it's

1005
00:35:48,349 --> 00:35:45,599
bringing back mountains you're going to

1006
00:35:51,050 --> 00:35:48,359
get clutter you hear that term and so

1007
00:35:53,750 --> 00:35:51,060
really you you fine-tune these systems

1008
00:35:55,550 --> 00:35:53,760
to look for objects that move consist

1009
00:35:57,170 --> 00:35:55,560
with aircraft obviously smooth

1010
00:35:59,390 --> 00:35:57,180
consistent with planes that type of

1011
00:36:02,690 --> 00:35:59,400
stuff it would appear the fact that

1012
00:36:04,609 --> 00:36:02,700
we've had you know three or four of

1013
00:36:07,250 --> 00:36:04,619
these instances come up in the last

1014
00:36:09,589 --> 00:36:07,260
couple days that at least some of these

1015
00:36:12,470 --> 00:36:09,599
systems have now been kind of opened up

1016
00:36:15,050 --> 00:36:12,480
the filters and so they're able to pick

1017
00:36:17,630 --> 00:36:15,060
up these slower moving objects

1018
00:36:19,670 --> 00:36:17,640
and then you know in these instances so

1019
00:36:23,030 --> 00:36:19,680
we have the the first one coming uh

1020
00:36:24,710 --> 00:36:23,040
Friday afternoon off the coast of Alaska

1021
00:36:26,810 --> 00:36:24,720
where and I think they actually picked

1022
00:36:29,270 --> 00:36:26,820
it up Thursday evening where Pilots are

1023
00:36:31,250 --> 00:36:29,280
being sent up to interrogate it you know

1024
00:36:33,829 --> 00:36:31,260
investigate what it is determine what it

1025
00:36:35,089 --> 00:36:33,839
is and then uh they're they're working

1026
00:36:36,710 --> 00:36:35,099
together a mission package we're

1027
00:36:40,730 --> 00:36:36,720
actually taking these objects down

1028
00:36:45,170 --> 00:36:43,790
it's weird okay I mean I I don't even

1029
00:36:47,089 --> 00:36:45,180
know where to begin on the kind of

1030
00:36:50,390 --> 00:36:47,099
weirdness scale of what we're seeing

1031
00:36:53,270 --> 00:36:50,400
right now down to the fact that

1032
00:36:55,790 --> 00:36:53,280
um the Pentagon is being really open

1033
00:36:58,730 --> 00:36:55,800
about you know they're giving a lot of

1034
00:37:01,490 --> 00:36:58,740
information about nothing you know it's

1035
00:37:02,630 --> 00:37:01,500
very odd for me to see the Pentagon in

1036
00:37:04,910 --> 00:37:02,640
the white house

1037
00:37:06,770 --> 00:37:04,920
um you know with the Friday's Alaskan

1038
00:37:08,270 --> 00:37:06,780
balloon shoot down

1039
00:37:10,310 --> 00:37:08,280
um I think I pointed this out on social

1040
00:37:12,290 --> 00:37:10,320
media because I got the Press advisor

1041
00:37:14,990 --> 00:37:12,300
the the Department of Defense sent me a

1042
00:37:17,450 --> 00:37:15,000
press advisory uh

1043
00:37:19,910 --> 00:37:17,460
at about 10 30 in the morning

1044
00:37:21,770 --> 00:37:19,920
Washington time saying hey we're having

1045
00:37:23,210 --> 00:37:21,780
a live press conference today I thought

1046
00:37:23,990 --> 00:37:23,220
this is weird you know they usually

1047
00:37:26,510 --> 00:37:24,000
don't

1048
00:37:27,650 --> 00:37:26,520
schedule out you know it was unexpected

1049
00:37:28,790 --> 00:37:27,660
so I'm like this is interesting

1050
00:37:30,770 --> 00:37:28,800
something's going on you always know

1051
00:37:31,970 --> 00:37:30,780
then usually it's we've done some kind

1052
00:37:34,550 --> 00:37:31,980
of terrorist Mission there's something

1053
00:37:36,109 --> 00:37:34,560
we've killed a an Isis leader so I was

1054
00:37:38,510 --> 00:37:36,119
like all right so I better stick up you

1055
00:37:41,450 --> 00:37:38,520
know stick around to watch this and uh

1056
00:37:43,490 --> 00:37:41,460
it was supposed to happen at 2PM

1057
00:37:44,990 --> 00:37:43,500
and by 2 pm it didn't come on I'm like

1058
00:37:47,630 --> 00:37:45,000
what is going on so I texted some people

1059
00:37:49,430 --> 00:37:47,640
I knew at the Pentagon and that's when

1060
00:37:51,710 --> 00:37:49,440
they text me back and said we shot down

1061
00:37:54,050 --> 00:37:51,720
another object over Alaska and then

1062
00:37:55,490 --> 00:37:54,060
simultaneously uh it turned out the

1063
00:37:56,569 --> 00:37:55,500
White House was doing a press conference

1064
00:37:59,510 --> 00:37:56,579
for it

1065
00:38:02,089 --> 00:37:59,520
but they had shot this object down at 1

1066
00:38:03,230 --> 00:38:02,099
pm and so it's this weird they announced

1067
00:38:05,270 --> 00:38:03,240
the press conference that they were

1068
00:38:08,210 --> 00:38:05,280
going before they shot it down so it's

1069
00:38:09,890 --> 00:38:08,220
like what it was odd to see that level

1070
00:38:11,990 --> 00:38:09,900
of transparency you know putting that

1071
00:38:13,670 --> 00:38:12,000
perspective that it's like announcing

1072
00:38:15,410 --> 00:38:13,680
the press conference for the bin Laden

1073
00:38:17,390 --> 00:38:15,420
raid before you've ever even landed and

1074
00:38:20,150 --> 00:38:17,400
taken Bin Laden out now you know what if

1075
00:38:22,450 --> 00:38:20,160
something goes wrong why and so it's

1076
00:38:26,870 --> 00:38:22,460
interesting that level of transparency

1077
00:38:29,270 --> 00:38:26,880
and then the fact it's it that their um

1078
00:38:33,050 --> 00:38:29,280
they're shooting these objects down is

1079
00:38:34,609 --> 00:38:33,060
really strange I mean this is uh I can't

1080
00:38:36,890 --> 00:38:34,619
stress enough that that's something that

1081
00:38:38,329 --> 00:38:36,900
is certainly not normal you know this

1082
00:38:39,290 --> 00:38:38,339
idea all this happens all the time but

1083
00:38:40,670 --> 00:38:39,300
you don't hear about it we're hearing

1084
00:38:43,250 --> 00:38:40,680
about it now

1085
00:38:45,349 --> 00:38:43,260
um I can't think and I've spoken to to

1086
00:38:47,569 --> 00:38:45,359
numerous other people in the military

1087
00:38:50,870 --> 00:38:47,579
outside the military defense and nobody

1088
00:38:52,849 --> 00:38:50,880
can think of a a similar uh set of

1089
00:38:56,630 --> 00:38:52,859
circumstances where we've started

1090
00:38:58,670 --> 00:38:56,640
shooting down objects uh even over the

1091
00:39:02,089 --> 00:38:58,680
continental United States which

1092
00:39:03,470 --> 00:39:02,099
um apparently by by Nora had to own you

1093
00:39:05,030 --> 00:39:03,480
know norad's Commander at least as

1094
00:39:07,010 --> 00:39:05,040
recently as last night his press

1095
00:39:08,089 --> 00:39:07,020
conference that apparently posed no

1096
00:39:11,150 --> 00:39:08,099
threat

1097
00:39:12,670 --> 00:39:11,160
physical safety military safety and I

1098
00:39:15,109 --> 00:39:12,680
saw that quote Yeah

1099
00:39:18,710 --> 00:39:15,119
they don't seem to know what they are

1100
00:39:21,829 --> 00:39:18,720
that is super strange so it's it's it's

1101
00:39:23,329 --> 00:39:21,839
it's really strange I mean it it's the

1102
00:39:25,069 --> 00:39:23,339
equivalent of of you seeing someone

1103
00:39:26,270 --> 00:39:25,079
walking through your neighborhood doing

1104
00:39:27,890 --> 00:39:26,280
nothing but walking down the road

1105
00:39:29,089 --> 00:39:27,900
whistling but you're like I don't

1106
00:39:31,550 --> 00:39:29,099
recognize them

1107
00:39:33,470 --> 00:39:31,560
I'm gonna shoot them you know I'm gonna

1108
00:39:35,750 --> 00:39:33,480
kill him and then I'm never gonna find

1109
00:39:38,089 --> 00:39:35,760
out who they are like it's just weird to

1110
00:39:40,970 --> 00:39:38,099
see that kind of level of force you know

1111
00:39:42,589 --> 00:39:40,980
even uh even if these were were known

1112
00:39:43,970 --> 00:39:42,599
spy balloons

1113
00:39:46,190 --> 00:39:43,980
um but shoot them down is kind of

1114
00:39:48,530 --> 00:39:46,200
provocative anyway that's a pretty

1115
00:39:50,210 --> 00:39:48,540
usually when you escalate to lethal

1116
00:39:52,790 --> 00:39:50,220
Force like that it it leads to more

1117
00:39:55,790 --> 00:39:52,800
escalation in one way or another and so

1118
00:39:57,410 --> 00:39:55,800
the decision to be made to shoot them

1119
00:39:59,329 --> 00:39:57,420
down and continue to shoot them down

1120
00:40:02,030 --> 00:39:59,339
they may shoot some more down today you

1121
00:40:04,550 --> 00:40:02,040
know after we record this it's really

1122
00:40:07,190 --> 00:40:04,560
strange and it's weird to see what's

1123
00:40:09,770 --> 00:40:07,200
going on here so do you think there's a

1124
00:40:12,349 --> 00:40:09,780
sense of confusion from coming with from

1125
00:40:15,710 --> 00:40:12,359
within the military or is this something

1126
00:40:18,050 --> 00:40:15,720
that is playing out publicly one way but

1127
00:40:20,089 --> 00:40:18,060
maybe they do know what's going on and

1128
00:40:22,250 --> 00:40:20,099
this is a bit of a distraction tactic on

1129
00:40:24,950 --> 00:40:22,260
both sides what what's Your Gut telling

1130
00:40:27,530 --> 00:40:24,960
you I I that is you know there's so many

1131
00:40:29,630 --> 00:40:27,540
levels of weirdness to this but but that

1132
00:40:31,790 --> 00:40:29,640
another level of that weirdness is that

1133
00:40:33,109 --> 00:40:31,800
legitimately everyone that I've spoken

1134
00:40:35,089 --> 00:40:33,119
to

1135
00:40:36,530 --> 00:40:35,099
um you know down from from from people

1136
00:40:38,390 --> 00:40:36,540
who are inside the Pentagon who are

1137
00:40:40,550 --> 00:40:38,400
inside the intelligence community

1138
00:40:42,109 --> 00:40:40,560
to even people who who work in and

1139
00:40:43,130 --> 00:40:42,119
around the White House and everybody's

1140
00:40:45,710 --> 00:40:43,140
like

1141
00:40:47,870 --> 00:40:45,720
we don't know what's going on and so

1142
00:40:50,210 --> 00:40:47,880
it's this really strange thing that so

1143
00:40:53,569 --> 00:40:50,220
now we're you know almost three days

1144
00:40:57,170 --> 00:40:53,579
past uh the the shoot down of the object

1145
00:40:58,790 --> 00:40:57,180
in Alaska and I I do not believe you

1146
00:41:00,950 --> 00:40:58,800
know based on everything that I've heard

1147
00:41:03,109 --> 00:41:00,960
at this point I do not believe that they

1148
00:41:05,089 --> 00:41:03,119
still or they still do not know what

1149
00:41:07,329 --> 00:41:05,099
they shot down they have not recovered

1150
00:41:10,490 --> 00:41:07,339
that object they don't know what it is

1151
00:41:12,530 --> 00:41:10,500
and I think it's even more intriguing

1152
00:41:14,569 --> 00:41:12,540
that you're seeing that you're seeing

1153
00:41:16,430 --> 00:41:14,579
these shoot downs and you and and they

1154
00:41:18,710 --> 00:41:16,440
don't seem to know what they are and

1155
00:41:22,310 --> 00:41:18,720
there's obviously some characteristics

1156
00:41:24,950 --> 00:41:22,320
about them uh that are causing them not

1157
00:41:26,450 --> 00:41:24,960
to label them any one specific thing

1158
00:41:29,030 --> 00:41:26,460
because they've been very cautious I

1159
00:41:31,910 --> 00:41:29,040
know we did see some reports uh out from

1160
00:41:34,010 --> 00:41:31,920
uh U.S senator Chuck Schumer and then

1161
00:41:36,349 --> 00:41:34,020
you know somebody else uh you know said

1162
00:41:39,650 --> 00:41:36,359
attributed that Biden had said these

1163
00:41:42,230 --> 00:41:39,660
three objects were balloons but uh you

1164
00:41:44,390 --> 00:41:42,240
know the Pentagon rather forcefully

1165
00:41:46,750 --> 00:41:44,400
pushed back on that with their most

1166
00:41:49,670 --> 00:41:46,760
recent press conference uh you know

1167
00:41:52,010 --> 00:41:49,680
explicitly saying I would not categorize

1168
00:41:55,010 --> 00:41:52,020
these as balloons right now and so

1169
00:41:57,170 --> 00:41:55,020
that's that to me suggests there were

1170
00:41:59,510 --> 00:41:57,180
definitely characteristics or aspects

1171
00:42:01,609 --> 00:41:59,520
about them whenever these objects were

1172
00:42:03,530 --> 00:42:01,619
interrogated by the pilots which which

1173
00:42:05,690 --> 00:42:03,540
what I mean by that is you sent other

1174
00:42:08,870 --> 00:42:05,700
fighter aircraft up there to get close

1175
00:42:12,430 --> 00:42:08,880
look at it see what it is there were

1176
00:42:15,109 --> 00:42:12,440
aspects about them that um

1177
00:42:16,910 --> 00:42:15,119
went against what you would expect to

1178
00:42:19,970 --> 00:42:16,920
see with a balloon I thought another

1179
00:42:22,310 --> 00:42:19,980
really intriguing comment from norad's

1180
00:42:24,410 --> 00:42:22,320
Commander was when he he did push back

1181
00:42:27,349 --> 00:42:24,420
on that and say you know I'm calling the

1182
00:42:28,970 --> 00:42:27,359
these things objects for a reason I

1183
00:42:31,609 --> 00:42:28,980
would not categorize them as balloons

1184
00:42:34,310 --> 00:42:31,619
they may be they may be some type of

1185
00:42:36,710 --> 00:42:34,320
objects that uh you know have some

1186
00:42:38,329 --> 00:42:36,720
gaseous substance so helium something

1187
00:42:41,569 --> 00:42:38,339
you know lighter than air that lives on

1188
00:42:43,370 --> 00:42:41,579
your balloon uh inside a structure

1189
00:42:46,250 --> 00:42:43,380
and so when he you know that common

1190
00:42:49,609 --> 00:42:46,260
alone suggests that there's something on

1191
00:42:52,010 --> 00:42:49,619
the exterior of these that is acting

1192
00:42:54,050 --> 00:42:52,020
unlike what you would see with just a

1193
00:42:56,150 --> 00:42:54,060
normal balloon and so when you start

1194
00:42:57,170 --> 00:42:56,160
considering what does that mean

1195
00:42:59,329 --> 00:42:57,180
um you know there's a couple of things

1196
00:43:00,710 --> 00:42:59,339
you know for for example your normal

1197
00:43:03,770 --> 00:43:00,720
balloon is not going to show up on

1198
00:43:06,290 --> 00:43:03,780
infrared sensors so IR sensors that type

1199
00:43:08,750 --> 00:43:06,300
of stuff is not going to produce a

1200
00:43:10,730 --> 00:43:08,760
return uh normal balloons are not going

1201
00:43:12,170 --> 00:43:10,740
to be very radio or excuse me radar

1202
00:43:14,030 --> 00:43:12,180
reflected so you're not going to get

1203
00:43:16,130 --> 00:43:14,040
good radar Returns on them that type of

1204
00:43:18,190 --> 00:43:16,140
thing so when they've gone to

1205
00:43:21,650 --> 00:43:18,200
interrogate these objects potentially

1206
00:43:22,970 --> 00:43:21,660
they have displayed IR characteristics

1207
00:43:28,550 --> 00:43:22,980
or

1208
00:43:29,870 --> 00:43:28,560
consistent with a solid craft rather

1209
00:43:33,530 --> 00:43:29,880
than some type of lighter than air

1210
00:43:35,150 --> 00:43:33,540
helium balloon Propel I don't know you

1211
00:43:38,150 --> 00:43:35,160
know but that's we're having to kind of

1212
00:43:42,170 --> 00:43:38,160
interpret through uh what we're hearing

1213
00:43:44,089 --> 00:43:42,180
here and the fact that um I genuinely at

1214
00:43:46,730 --> 00:43:44,099
this point think that there is some

1215
00:43:48,890 --> 00:43:46,740
mystery surrounding all of it even for

1216
00:43:51,370 --> 00:43:48,900
the Pentagon and everybody involved I

1217
00:43:54,170 --> 00:43:51,380
don't really think that anybody

1218
00:43:55,849 --> 00:43:54,180
conclusively knows what it is and I

1219
00:43:59,270 --> 00:43:55,859
think if it was a

1220
00:44:00,829 --> 00:43:59,280
you know if it was a rogue car lot

1221
00:44:02,750 --> 00:44:00,839
balloons or something you know some

1222
00:44:05,150 --> 00:44:02,760
giant Car Lot balloon that somebody let

1223
00:44:06,650 --> 00:44:05,160
go and went in the air these that would

1224
00:44:08,329 --> 00:44:06,660
it would possess characteristics that

1225
00:44:11,089 --> 00:44:08,339
when they went to interrogate it would

1226
00:44:14,030 --> 00:44:11,099
be pretty obvious that it's a balloon

1227
00:44:15,950 --> 00:44:14,040
and so for some reason there's aspects

1228
00:44:17,569 --> 00:44:15,960
about you know the objects that we've

1229
00:44:20,569 --> 00:44:17,579
heard about in recent days that don't

1230
00:44:21,890 --> 00:44:20,579
seem to fit that you know I I even it

1231
00:44:23,690 --> 00:44:21,900
was reported in the New York Times and

1232
00:44:26,150 --> 00:44:23,700
then another person uh out of the

1233
00:44:27,530 --> 00:44:26,160
Pentagon told me confirmed what had the

1234
00:44:30,910 --> 00:44:27,540
New York Times was told that at least

1235
00:44:34,250 --> 00:44:30,920
with the Alaskan object it broke apart

1236
00:44:37,490 --> 00:44:34,260
and so when it land it broke apart like

1237
00:44:38,870 --> 00:44:37,500
you would expect the example I got uh I

1238
00:44:40,910 --> 00:44:38,880
think the New York Times said broken to

1239
00:44:42,589 --> 00:44:40,920
pieces I was told it broke like glass so

1240
00:44:45,109 --> 00:44:42,599
like if you drop the glass cup and

1241
00:44:47,150 --> 00:44:45,119
that's obviously not something you would

1242
00:44:48,829 --> 00:44:47,160
expect with a rubberized balloon or

1243
00:44:50,390 --> 00:44:48,839
balloon materials so I don't know what

1244
00:44:52,730 --> 00:44:50,400
we're looking at here

1245
00:44:54,589 --> 00:44:52,740
yeah I was a few people mentioned online

1246
00:44:56,569 --> 00:44:54,599
maybe some of the more skeptical folks

1247
00:44:58,190 --> 00:44:56,579
let's just say that this kind of

1248
00:44:59,809 --> 00:44:58,200
shatters the Illusion for many others

1249
00:45:00,950 --> 00:44:59,819
with their interest in the UFO subject

1250
00:45:02,690 --> 00:45:00,960
and we're going to talk about the more

1251
00:45:03,890 --> 00:45:02,700
kind of ET side of things in just a

1252
00:45:07,309 --> 00:45:03,900
second

1253
00:45:08,930 --> 00:45:07,319
um but many of us including myself so if

1254
00:45:11,329 --> 00:45:08,940
folks want to go back and I don't know

1255
00:45:12,890 --> 00:45:11,339
why they would care to but you know 2023

1256
00:45:15,050 --> 00:45:12,900
and all that uh listen to some of those

1257
00:45:17,630 --> 00:45:15,060
reports recently when the task force

1258
00:45:19,250 --> 00:45:17,640
report came out um I said myself that

1259
00:45:21,829 --> 00:45:19,260
I'm sure a lot of this stuff that's

1260
00:45:23,690 --> 00:45:21,839
still unexplained as an ET craft but is

1261
00:45:26,630 --> 00:45:23,700
still going to be top secret Tech US

1262
00:45:28,670 --> 00:45:26,640
tech Russian Tech Chinese Tech that they

1263
00:45:32,150 --> 00:45:28,680
just don't know and will be critical

1264
00:45:33,950 --> 00:45:32,160
stuff that's 20 30 40 50 years ahead and

1265
00:45:35,569 --> 00:45:33,960
maybe some of that is kind of what we're

1266
00:45:36,290 --> 00:45:35,579
seeing now

1267
00:45:38,210 --> 00:45:36,300
um

1268
00:45:39,890 --> 00:45:38,220
so unfortunately yeah I have kind of

1269
00:45:41,390 --> 00:45:39,900
covered my own backside with that in the

1270
00:45:42,710 --> 00:45:41,400
past because it just makes sense doesn't

1271
00:45:44,089 --> 00:45:42,720
it that there's going to be some tech up

1272
00:45:45,589 --> 00:45:44,099
there that we don't know and this stuff

1273
00:45:47,390 --> 00:45:45,599
does certainly have those kind of

1274
00:45:50,329 --> 00:45:47,400
strange characteristics that doesn't

1275
00:45:52,609 --> 00:45:50,339
mean it's ET or non-human but it means

1276
00:45:54,890 --> 00:45:52,619
it's some pretty Advanced or strange

1277
00:45:58,550 --> 00:45:54,900
stuff to evade the more conventional

1278
00:46:00,650 --> 00:45:58,560
tracking their stencils yeah it could be

1279
00:46:02,870 --> 00:46:00,660
very mundane conventional things that

1280
00:46:04,790 --> 00:46:02,880
are just cleverly employed we just don't

1281
00:46:06,589 --> 00:46:04,800
know you know that's the thing is you

1282
00:46:09,650 --> 00:46:06,599
just don't know and we're acting on low

1283
00:46:12,829 --> 00:46:09,660
information and I think that it would be

1284
00:46:16,250 --> 00:46:12,839
it's just a it's wrong to make any snap

1285
00:46:18,290 --> 00:46:16,260
assumptions that uh you know any that

1286
00:46:20,569 --> 00:46:18,300
these are any one thing yet based on

1287
00:46:22,550 --> 00:46:20,579
what we have here and in fact at least

1288
00:46:24,410 --> 00:46:22,560
in the description of the last three

1289
00:46:26,450 --> 00:46:24,420
objects that were shot down appear to be

1290
00:46:28,670 --> 00:46:26,460
relatively different so we you know

1291
00:46:30,829 --> 00:46:28,680
that's all I I have uh you know

1292
00:46:33,650 --> 00:46:30,839
privately chats with friends I've often

1293
00:46:36,410 --> 00:46:33,660
said that you know that's a detriment in

1294
00:46:38,450 --> 00:46:36,420
examining the UAP or UFO phenomena is

1295
00:46:40,670 --> 00:46:38,460
the idea that it's all or nothing we see

1296
00:46:42,770 --> 00:46:40,680
that quite frequently so it's like uh

1297
00:46:45,410 --> 00:46:42,780
you know if somebody brings up any

1298
00:46:47,809 --> 00:46:45,420
criticisms for the the 2019 let's say

1299
00:46:50,329 --> 00:46:47,819
West Coast events or or you know the

1300
00:46:52,190 --> 00:46:50,339
2016 events and you go well there's a

1301
00:46:54,109 --> 00:46:52,200
lot of evidence that suggests you know

1302
00:46:58,010 --> 00:46:54,119
that was foreign spy drones or foreign

1303
00:47:01,609 --> 00:46:58,020
balloons spy uh okay you know that's

1304
00:47:03,470 --> 00:47:01,619
okay even if that reality is true that

1305
00:47:05,630 --> 00:47:03,480
doesn't like wipe out all the other

1306
00:47:07,490 --> 00:47:05,640
cases so the exact same thing when

1307
00:47:09,829 --> 00:47:07,500
you're looking at the uh the task force

1308
00:47:13,490 --> 00:47:09,839
report I think it would be at best

1309
00:47:16,010 --> 00:47:13,500
wishful thinking uh perhaps fool-hearted

1310
00:47:18,410 --> 00:47:16,020
to to assume that when you see oh

1311
00:47:20,750 --> 00:47:18,420
they've got 1200 unknowns whatever that

1312
00:47:23,510 --> 00:47:20,760
number is and to go all 1200 of those

1313
00:47:26,450 --> 00:47:23,520
have to be something truly spectacular

1314
00:47:29,089 --> 00:47:26,460
or exotic I think that that's that's not

1315
00:47:31,609 --> 00:47:29,099
going to be the case and I think if

1316
00:47:33,609 --> 00:47:31,619
there is anything in that those data

1317
00:47:36,109 --> 00:47:33,619
sets that is truly

1318
00:47:37,970 --> 00:47:36,119
really anomalous exotic can't be

1319
00:47:40,370 --> 00:47:37,980
explained I think we're talking about a

1320
00:47:42,230 --> 00:47:40,380
very minute margin in there but I think

1321
00:47:43,849 --> 00:47:42,240
that's where you kind of want to focus

1322
00:47:45,410 --> 00:47:43,859
so that's the good side of what we're

1323
00:47:47,809 --> 00:47:45,420
seeing here even if they recover these

1324
00:47:49,790 --> 00:47:47,819
and they do discover uh you know these

1325
00:47:51,770 --> 00:47:49,800
are just cleverly designed spot balloons

1326
00:47:54,290 --> 00:47:51,780
that added some components to confuse

1327
00:47:58,550 --> 00:47:54,300
sensors or whatever okay good we're

1328
00:48:00,950 --> 00:47:58,560
clearing out that data set and so uh you

1329
00:48:03,710 --> 00:48:00,960
know you want to focus on the really

1330
00:48:06,589 --> 00:48:03,720
weird stuff the really anomalous stuff

1331
00:48:08,150 --> 00:48:06,599
I know you tweet out this uh comment

1332
00:48:10,309 --> 00:48:08,160
that I saw as well and you use my

1333
00:48:13,010 --> 00:48:10,319
favorite meme of the Boomer Tom Delong

1334
00:48:15,470 --> 00:48:13,020
what the I don't say the word there

1335
00:48:18,410 --> 00:48:15,480
so yeah I won't bleep that out but yeah

1336
00:48:20,930 --> 00:48:18,420
um reporter asks uh NORAD Commander

1337
00:48:23,150 --> 00:48:20,940
General Glenn van hurk uh have you

1338
00:48:25,670 --> 00:48:23,160
rolled out aliens or extraterrestrials

1339
00:48:27,650 --> 00:48:25,680
and his reply was I'll let the Intel

1340
00:48:29,390 --> 00:48:27,660
Intel community and County intelligence

1341
00:48:32,030 --> 00:48:29,400
Community figure that out I haven't

1342
00:48:35,089 --> 00:48:32,040
ruled out anything at this point is that

1343
00:48:37,490 --> 00:48:35,099
just an off the cough remark or do you

1344
00:48:39,050 --> 00:48:37,500
think there's anything to that in the

1345
00:48:40,970 --> 00:48:39,060
sense and then maybe going to try and

1346
00:48:43,609 --> 00:48:40,980
twist this a little bit that the work

1347
00:48:46,550 --> 00:48:43,619
that Chris melon Loyola and others have

1348
00:48:49,670 --> 00:48:46,560
done that have gotten us to a level

1349
00:48:52,010 --> 00:48:49,680
where reporting stigma is reduced so

1350
00:48:54,530 --> 00:48:52,020
Pilots are happier or more comfortable

1351
00:48:56,270 --> 00:48:54,540
reporting means we're seeing things like

1352
00:48:58,550 --> 00:48:56,280
this and this may become a little bit

1353
00:49:01,309 --> 00:48:58,560
more the norm but also it gives us a

1354
00:49:04,309 --> 00:49:01,319
greater chance of getting better data on

1355
00:49:07,250 --> 00:49:04,319
truly anomalous objects sure I mean this

1356
00:49:09,050 --> 00:49:07,260
this is what your if nothing else what

1357
00:49:11,089 --> 00:49:09,060
you're seeing as odd as it seems in the

1358
00:49:13,309 --> 00:49:11,099
past couple of days I mean this is what

1359
00:49:16,130 --> 00:49:13,319
you want to see in the fruits of that

1360
00:49:17,870 --> 00:49:16,140
labor of whether the the now the arrow

1361
00:49:20,450 --> 00:49:17,880
or the UAP task force whatever you want

1362
00:49:22,550 --> 00:49:20,460
to call it but the idea of taking uh

1363
00:49:24,530 --> 00:49:22,560
incidences where you're seeing unknown

1364
00:49:26,150 --> 00:49:24,540
unidentified and potentially anomalous

1365
00:49:27,530 --> 00:49:26,160
objects in the sky you're taking those

1366
00:49:28,970 --> 00:49:27,540
seriously you're encouraging that

1367
00:49:31,010 --> 00:49:28,980
reporting and you're encouraging

1368
00:49:33,349 --> 00:49:31,020
follow-up investigation interrogation of

1369
00:49:36,109 --> 00:49:33,359
those things this is what you want to

1370
00:49:38,930 --> 00:49:36,119
see and so yes I think that that's a

1371
00:49:40,849 --> 00:49:38,940
overwhelmingly a good thing because just

1372
00:49:42,770 --> 00:49:40,859
like I said if we're if we're opening up

1373
00:49:44,450 --> 00:49:42,780
that those Doppler filters right now

1374
00:49:46,730 --> 00:49:44,460
we're bringing in stuff we normally

1375
00:49:48,530 --> 00:49:46,740
wouldn't so slow especially slow moving

1376
00:49:50,930 --> 00:49:48,540
objects you know those are the kind of

1377
00:49:52,609 --> 00:49:50,940
those extreme mediums where oftentimes

1378
00:49:54,710 --> 00:49:52,619
when it comes to UAP people describe

1379
00:49:56,089 --> 00:49:54,720
they're hovering for extended periods of

1380
00:49:58,130 --> 00:49:56,099
time and they're not moving that's

1381
00:50:00,109 --> 00:49:58,140
invisible to Doppler now but now if

1382
00:50:01,910 --> 00:50:00,119
we're getting those reports we're or if

1383
00:50:03,050 --> 00:50:01,920
we're opening up those Doppler shifts

1384
00:50:05,750 --> 00:50:03,060
now we're picking up that we're

1385
00:50:08,089 --> 00:50:05,760
extremely fast moving can equally be

1386
00:50:10,069 --> 00:50:08,099
discounted you know the Doppler radar is

1387
00:50:12,230 --> 00:50:10,079
not going to pick up a

1388
00:50:13,910 --> 00:50:12,240
meteor coming in you know it's moving

1389
00:50:15,710 --> 00:50:13,920
too fast it's like Ah that's a meteor

1390
00:50:17,270 --> 00:50:15,720
but now if you're opening up those

1391
00:50:20,630 --> 00:50:17,280
filters and and you're looking for

1392
00:50:23,089 --> 00:50:20,640
things that are moving faster than than

1393
00:50:25,370 --> 00:50:23,099
craft should or or their stationary or

1394
00:50:27,170 --> 00:50:25,380
moving slower than craft should now you

1395
00:50:28,670 --> 00:50:27,180
have the potential to pick up some of

1396
00:50:30,829 --> 00:50:28,680
those really unusual things and so I

1397
00:50:33,589 --> 00:50:30,839
think that that's it's all a good thing

1398
00:50:35,630 --> 00:50:33,599
and I think that you're definitely going

1399
00:50:38,510 --> 00:50:35,640
to as you go through that process you're

1400
00:50:40,550 --> 00:50:38,520
going to get a lot more uh mundane

1401
00:50:42,050 --> 00:50:40,560
things that that aren't weird now that

1402
00:50:43,849 --> 00:50:42,060
you're looking into it but the only way

1403
00:50:45,290 --> 00:50:43,859
that you're going to get the weird is

1404
00:50:47,750 --> 00:50:45,300
you've got to open it you got to open up

1405
00:50:50,690 --> 00:50:47,760
that net and see what you get you're not

1406
00:50:52,250 --> 00:50:50,700
all going to catch tuna but but uh you

1407
00:50:54,530 --> 00:50:52,260
know what you don't throw back you may

1408
00:50:56,030 --> 00:50:54,540
very well catch some big trophy fish

1409
00:50:59,450 --> 00:50:56,040
here and I think that's what people are

1410
00:51:01,190 --> 00:50:59,460
looking for it's a really interesting

1411
00:51:02,630 --> 00:51:01,200
um it's interesting it's been

1412
00:51:04,370 --> 00:51:02,640
interesting watching it you're talking

1413
00:51:07,370 --> 00:51:04,380
about it from the UFO perspective

1414
00:51:09,230 --> 00:51:07,380
because I uh you know I've mentioned

1415
00:51:11,030 --> 00:51:09,240
this to friends yesterday it's so weird

1416
00:51:13,030 --> 00:51:11,040
because I've heard for like five years

1417
00:51:16,190 --> 00:51:13,040
people saying you know some of these

1418
00:51:17,870 --> 00:51:16,200
objects are non-human crafts these are

1419
00:51:20,089 --> 00:51:17,880
extraterrestrials these are some there's

1420
00:51:22,609 --> 00:51:20,099
something going on even down to the fact

1421
00:51:25,490 --> 00:51:22,619
that the belief that the government is

1422
00:51:27,470 --> 00:51:25,500
is preparing to disclose that they've

1423
00:51:29,270 --> 00:51:27,480
recovered wreckage of crashed

1424
00:51:31,010 --> 00:51:29,280
extraterrestrial materials it's like

1425
00:51:32,390 --> 00:51:31,020
I've heard this for years like now the

1426
00:51:33,710 --> 00:51:32,400
government's shooting down stuff you're

1427
00:51:35,930 --> 00:51:33,720
going I don't know what it is we don't

1428
00:51:37,309 --> 00:51:35,940
know what it is NORAD Commander's like I

1429
00:51:39,109 --> 00:51:37,319
don't know maybe it's aliens I don't

1430
00:51:41,690 --> 00:51:39,119
know and I was like but the same people

1431
00:51:44,030 --> 00:51:41,700
who were telling me it was aliens and we

1432
00:51:45,589 --> 00:51:44,040
have crash materials alive no it's

1433
00:51:47,510 --> 00:51:45,599
nothing weird you know this is going to

1434
00:51:48,530 --> 00:51:47,520
be normal they're screwing us over and

1435
00:51:50,809 --> 00:51:48,540
I'm like

1436
00:51:52,010 --> 00:51:50,819
wait a minute was that the same

1437
00:51:54,349 --> 00:51:52,020
government that was supposed to disclose

1438
00:51:58,430 --> 00:51:54,359
it to you so you know I don't know it's

1439
00:52:00,530 --> 00:51:58,440
uh it's an interesting scenario uh all

1440
00:52:03,049 --> 00:52:00,540
the way across the board down to this we

1441
00:52:05,390 --> 00:52:03,059
have this we have this bizarre reverse

1442
00:52:06,950 --> 00:52:05,400
Roswell going on now where instead of

1443
00:52:10,130 --> 00:52:06,960
the government coming out saying hey

1444
00:52:11,990 --> 00:52:10,140
we've we've recovered we've crashed

1445
00:52:13,730 --> 00:52:12,000
something and you know here's what it is

1446
00:52:15,770 --> 00:52:13,740
oh never mind it's just a balloon now

1447
00:52:17,089 --> 00:52:15,780
they're they're coming out going hey man

1448
00:52:19,030 --> 00:52:17,099
we're shooting stuff down and we don't

1449
00:52:21,650 --> 00:52:19,040
know what it is

1450
00:52:23,690 --> 00:52:21,660
you know I want to wrap up temperature

1451
00:52:26,150 --> 00:52:23,700
been really good for your time and just

1452
00:52:28,309 --> 00:52:26,160
my own thought being that if this

1453
00:52:30,470 --> 00:52:28,319
technology has say China spying on the

1454
00:52:32,990 --> 00:52:30,480
United States and they know for a fact

1455
00:52:35,390 --> 00:52:33,000
the United States tends to ignore or

1456
00:52:37,849 --> 00:52:35,400
avoid objects it may be truly anomalous

1457
00:52:39,589 --> 00:52:37,859
in terms of reporting or tracking

1458
00:52:41,990 --> 00:52:39,599
um and be a bit more evasive with it

1459
00:52:44,569 --> 00:52:42,000
then you might as well hide your own spy

1460
00:52:46,970 --> 00:52:44,579
equipment in some kind of form like

1461
00:52:49,370 --> 00:52:46,980
Michael Hanks reported just 16 hours ago

1462
00:52:52,010 --> 00:52:49,380
according to his tweet uh octagon-shaped

1463
00:52:53,630 --> 00:52:52,020
you know spiraling because they're just

1464
00:52:55,069 --> 00:52:53,640
going to ignore that or it'll be laughed

1465
00:52:57,290 --> 00:52:55,079
off or you know it won't be picked up on

1466
00:52:58,730 --> 00:52:57,300
radar so it would make sense to me yours

1467
00:53:00,349 --> 00:52:58,740
use that kind of against him a little

1468
00:53:02,569 --> 00:53:00,359
bit I just want to ask you one last

1469
00:53:04,190 --> 00:53:02,579
thing um how do you see this playing out

1470
00:53:06,109 --> 00:53:04,200
over the next few days and weeks is this

1471
00:53:07,190 --> 00:53:06,119
going to fizzle out or go out with a

1472
00:53:09,710 --> 00:53:07,200
bang

1473
00:53:11,690 --> 00:53:09,720
I I you know that one's hard to predict

1474
00:53:13,609 --> 00:53:11,700
because it's one of those things where

1475
00:53:15,710 --> 00:53:13,619
you when they shot the object down over

1476
00:53:17,150 --> 00:53:15,720
Alaska I thought man this is really

1477
00:53:18,890 --> 00:53:17,160
strange you know what are we going on

1478
00:53:20,390 --> 00:53:18,900
here and then it wasn't you know 12

1479
00:53:23,329 --> 00:53:20,400
hours later they're like hey we shot

1480
00:53:26,089 --> 00:53:23,339
another one down in Canada I'm going

1481
00:53:28,549 --> 00:53:26,099
uh what in fact I I originally when I

1482
00:53:30,890 --> 00:53:28,559
heard that they were tracking a object

1483
00:53:33,530 --> 00:53:30,900
an unknown object over Canada I made the

1484
00:53:34,849 --> 00:53:33,540
joke that uh you know the US was over

1485
00:53:36,650 --> 00:53:34,859
there saying you want us to kill them

1486
00:53:38,390 --> 00:53:36,660
you know we'll come shoot them and then

1487
00:53:41,750 --> 00:53:38,400
it wasn't 10 minutes later that they

1488
00:53:43,250 --> 00:53:41,760
announced yeah yeah F20 usf22 shot it

1489
00:53:46,490 --> 00:53:43,260
down I'm going oh my God they did that

1490
00:53:50,809 --> 00:53:48,950
watching it kind of live play down last

1491
00:53:52,609 --> 00:53:50,819
night I was in a good position uh

1492
00:53:54,170 --> 00:53:52,619
yesterday where I was able to to watch

1493
00:53:57,170 --> 00:53:54,180
the no Tams and kind of watch the

1494
00:53:59,329 --> 00:53:57,180
flights as they took down the object

1495
00:54:01,490 --> 00:53:59,339
um yesterday it's surreal so I wouldn't

1496
00:54:03,109 --> 00:54:01,500
have thought any one of those would have

1497
00:54:04,910 --> 00:54:03,119
continued to play out so it's hard to

1498
00:54:07,730 --> 00:54:04,920
say when it's gonna stop

1499
00:54:10,089 --> 00:54:07,740
I'm extremely intrigued

1500
00:54:12,770 --> 00:54:10,099
because to my knowledge

1501
00:54:14,809 --> 00:54:12,780
they have not announced and nobody's

1502
00:54:18,109 --> 00:54:14,819
acted like they have recovered the

1503
00:54:20,690 --> 00:54:18,119
wreckage from any of the last three

1504
00:54:22,549 --> 00:54:20,700
shoot down and so that's going to be a

1505
00:54:25,010 --> 00:54:22,559
really interesting thing to kind of look

1506
00:54:28,309 --> 00:54:25,020
out for and watch and I think that's um

1507
00:54:30,230 --> 00:54:28,319
you know that's where the odd immediate

1508
00:54:31,309 --> 00:54:30,240
transparency of saying we did this we

1509
00:54:33,710 --> 00:54:31,319
shot these things down we don't know

1510
00:54:35,510 --> 00:54:33,720
what it is that comes back to haunt you

1511
00:54:37,069 --> 00:54:35,520
if they don't recover them you know

1512
00:54:39,109 --> 00:54:37,079
let's say you know when Alaska

1513
00:54:40,849 --> 00:54:39,119
supposedly went down a really icy frozen

1514
00:54:43,430 --> 00:54:40,859
water

1515
00:54:45,710 --> 00:54:43,440
you know what do you do if you don't

1516
00:54:48,170 --> 00:54:45,720
recover these you know what is that same

1517
00:54:49,490 --> 00:54:48,180
with Lake Michigan so it's this weird

1518
00:54:51,530 --> 00:54:49,500
I'm I'm

1519
00:54:53,990 --> 00:54:51,540
it's a great time to be alive Andy I'm

1520
00:54:55,910 --> 00:54:54,000
sitting here wondering what what's going

1521
00:54:58,670 --> 00:54:55,920
on you know whether we're looking at the

1522
00:55:00,770 --> 00:54:58,680
birth of new Roswell myths if they don't

1523
00:55:03,710 --> 00:55:00,780
recover these or are we looking at

1524
00:55:06,290 --> 00:55:03,720
legitimate Roswell realities type thing

1525
00:55:09,049 --> 00:55:06,300
are we just talking about uh we live in

1526
00:55:11,569 --> 00:55:09,059
an age of unprecedented surveillance and

1527
00:55:13,309 --> 00:55:11,579
uh in an age when countries are now

1528
00:55:15,710 --> 00:55:13,319
being more aggressive and provocative

1529
00:55:17,930 --> 00:55:15,720
for each other and so we know that the

1530
00:55:19,849 --> 00:55:17,940
latter there is true it's just

1531
00:55:23,150 --> 00:55:19,859
interesting it's very very interesting

1532
00:55:24,710 --> 00:55:23,160
time well I hope Dr Sean Kirkpatrick has

1533
00:55:26,329 --> 00:55:24,720
a little bit more funding to employ some

1534
00:55:28,609 --> 00:55:26,339
more staff for Arrow because I imagine

1535
00:55:31,190 --> 00:55:28,619
their emails and fax machines if they

1536
00:55:33,230 --> 00:55:31,200
still use those are going to be busy I

1537
00:55:36,049 --> 00:55:33,240
think you know that you could definitely

1538
00:55:39,049 --> 00:55:36,059
see you know I think if anything else I

1539
00:55:40,370 --> 00:55:39,059
think that the this Arrow the UAP task

1540
00:55:41,750 --> 00:55:40,380
force everything that Chris melon and

1541
00:55:43,849 --> 00:55:41,760
Louis Elizondo and these other people

1542
00:55:45,710 --> 00:55:43,859
have been pushing for and saying needed

1543
00:55:47,930 --> 00:55:45,720
I think it's definitely Justified itself

1544
00:55:50,390 --> 00:55:47,940
in the past two weeks because you know

1545
00:55:53,390 --> 00:55:50,400
you know with the Chinese balloon just

1546
00:55:55,609 --> 00:55:53,400
the the observation of it we later found

1547
00:55:57,650 --> 00:55:55,619
out that they were able to take some of

1548
00:55:59,030 --> 00:55:57,660
the data that was so the emissions data

1549
00:56:00,349 --> 00:55:59,040
some of the signals data they're able to

1550
00:56:02,630 --> 00:56:00,359
take what they collected from that

1551
00:56:05,630 --> 00:56:02,640
Chinese balloon put it back to stuff

1552
00:56:07,309 --> 00:56:05,640
that they had collected for the UAP task

1553
00:56:09,470 --> 00:56:07,319
force and realized oh wait those were

1554
00:56:11,870 --> 00:56:09,480
Chinese balloons too so we're already

1555
00:56:14,390 --> 00:56:11,880
seeing were the rewards from that I

1556
00:56:15,410 --> 00:56:14,400
think hopefully we'll see that that uh

1557
00:56:17,890 --> 00:56:15,420
you're right you're absolutely right

1558
00:56:21,290 --> 00:56:17,900
they'll they will increase funding and

1559
00:56:22,670 --> 00:56:21,300
realize that the stigma of looking at

1560
00:56:23,990 --> 00:56:22,680
something because it's an unknown or

1561
00:56:27,770 --> 00:56:24,000
unidentified

1562
00:56:29,750 --> 00:56:27,780
um there's significant benefits to that

1563
00:56:31,430 --> 00:56:29,760
absolutely Tim thank you very much for

1564
00:56:33,589 --> 00:56:31,440
your time and I encourage everyone as

1565
00:56:35,630 --> 00:56:33,599
always check out the debrief.org and the

1566
00:56:37,549 --> 00:56:35,640
debrief across your social media systems

1567
00:56:39,410 --> 00:56:37,559
and platforms uh to keep up to date with

1568
00:56:41,270 --> 00:56:39,420
our story and more again speak to you

1569
00:56:43,010 --> 00:56:41,280
soon Tim all right sounds good ending

1570
00:56:45,589 --> 00:56:43,020
always a pleasure I am joined at this

1571
00:56:48,470 --> 00:56:45,599
time by former guest he is a researcher

1572
00:56:50,809 --> 00:56:48,480
and author Chris rockowski Chris welcome

1573
00:56:52,130 --> 00:56:50,819
back to the podcast glad to be here

1574
00:56:53,870 --> 00:56:52,140
thanks

1575
00:56:55,970 --> 00:56:53,880
it's very good to have you and you've

1576
00:57:00,950 --> 00:56:55,980
joined me very last minute for this show

1577
00:57:02,750 --> 00:57:00,960
now the Canadian UFO report for 2022 has

1578
00:57:04,309 --> 00:57:02,760
dropped and I thought it'd be a good

1579
00:57:06,290 --> 00:57:04,319
time to get you on you've been a very

1580
00:57:08,089 --> 00:57:06,300
busy man today doing all kinds of media

1581
00:57:10,670 --> 00:57:08,099
so I thought let's get this out fresh

1582
00:57:12,109 --> 00:57:10,680
while it's relevant and uh it's a good

1583
00:57:14,270 --> 00:57:12,119
thing to chat about I think as we kind

1584
00:57:16,010 --> 00:57:14,280
of head into the weekend very quickly

1585
00:57:18,589 --> 00:57:16,020
Chris in case people haven't heard of

1586
00:57:20,630 --> 00:57:18,599
you or our previous interview that goes

1587
00:57:22,990 --> 00:57:20,640
into a lot more detail can you give us a

1588
00:57:26,150 --> 00:57:23,000
quick bit of your own background please

1589
00:57:27,589 --> 00:57:26,160
sure I have been studying the UFO

1590
00:57:29,750 --> 00:57:27,599
phenomenon and investigating and

1591
00:57:34,430 --> 00:57:29,760
researching and writing about it since

1592
00:57:37,130 --> 00:57:34,440
the 1970s uh and I have 10 books out the

1593
00:57:40,430 --> 00:57:37,140
most recent is Canadian sorry Canada's

1594
00:57:44,150 --> 00:57:40,440
UFOs Declassified which details uh

1595
00:57:45,770 --> 00:57:44,160
reports in government files by RCMP

1596
00:57:49,970 --> 00:57:45,780
Royal Canadian rounded police officers

1597
00:57:51,410 --> 00:57:49,980
uh Pilots military personnel and shows

1598
00:57:53,569 --> 00:57:51,420
that there's a bit of significant

1599
00:57:57,290 --> 00:57:53,579
interest in Canada at the official level

1600
00:58:00,890 --> 00:57:59,329
well if people haven't heard that I

1601
00:58:02,630 --> 00:58:00,900
suggest you do go back and have a listen

1602
00:58:04,609 --> 00:58:02,640
to our first interview we go into that

1603
00:58:05,569 --> 00:58:04,619
in a lot of detail and cover the book

1604
00:58:07,010 --> 00:58:05,579
too

1605
00:58:09,470 --> 00:58:07,020
um but Chris we're here to talk about

1606
00:58:12,349 --> 00:58:09,480
the the breaking report I believe this

1607
00:58:14,630 --> 00:58:12,359
was published on Monday just gone which

1608
00:58:16,370 --> 00:58:14,640
would have been the 5th of February 5th

1609
00:58:18,589 --> 00:58:16,380
or 6th of February

1610
00:58:21,650 --> 00:58:18,599
right yeah and the other thing that I do

1611
00:58:23,809 --> 00:58:21,660
is that I uh I analyze all the UFO

1612
00:58:26,390 --> 00:58:23,819
sightings that have been reported in

1613
00:58:30,770 --> 00:58:26,400
Canada every year I've been doing this

1614
00:58:35,089 --> 00:58:33,589
um and we have something like 24

1615
00:58:37,130 --> 00:58:35,099
000 more than 24

1616
00:58:40,849 --> 00:58:37,140
000 uh separate sightings have been

1617
00:58:42,170 --> 00:58:40,859
reported since 1989. I started it uh to

1618
00:58:43,730 --> 00:58:42,180
get a better idea what was being

1619
00:58:46,609 --> 00:58:43,740
reported so not just what was being

1620
00:58:48,710 --> 00:58:46,619
reported in the media on on TV or in

1621
00:58:50,270 --> 00:58:48,720
radio and the tabloids what were people

1622
00:58:52,609 --> 00:58:50,280
actually seeing so these are cases that

1623
00:58:55,730 --> 00:58:52,619
have been reported to uh UFO

1624
00:58:58,130 --> 00:58:55,740
organizations directly to astronomers to

1625
00:59:00,170 --> 00:58:58,140
me to the Canadian government and I

1626
00:59:02,270 --> 00:59:00,180
bring them all together and do some

1627
00:59:04,670 --> 00:59:02,280
number crunching on them and publish the

1628
00:59:07,609 --> 00:59:04,680
results in the 2022 version was just

1629
00:59:13,130 --> 00:59:10,609
now just to get folks on the right path

1630
00:59:15,530 --> 00:59:13,140
this isn't like the US congress's

1631
00:59:18,170 --> 00:59:15,540
mandated UAP report this isn't something

1632
00:59:20,049 --> 00:59:18,180
that's come down from senators and

1633
00:59:22,490 --> 00:59:20,059
congressmen and women who have demanded

1634
00:59:26,030 --> 00:59:22,500
reforms and looking into the topic is it

1635
00:59:27,890 --> 00:59:26,040
it's much more much more personal and

1636
00:59:28,789 --> 00:59:27,900
it's much smaller scale is that fair to

1637
00:59:30,650 --> 00:59:28,799
say

1638
00:59:32,569 --> 00:59:30,660
well it's smaller scale in the sense

1639
00:59:35,210 --> 00:59:32,579
that you know Canada is a smaller

1640
00:59:37,370 --> 00:59:35,220
population we get uh smaller numbers of

1641
00:59:40,010 --> 00:59:37,380
UFOs than the United States but at the

1642
00:59:42,349 --> 00:59:40,020
same time there were 768 reports that

1643
00:59:43,809 --> 00:59:42,359
were filed in Canada last year which is

1644
00:59:47,030 --> 00:59:43,819
nothing to sneeze at

1645
00:59:50,450 --> 00:59:47,040
and these reports do come from a variety

1646
00:59:53,630 --> 00:59:50,460
of uh people from lay citizens to Pilots

1647
00:59:55,370 --> 00:59:53,640
to really good observers and it gives us

1648
00:59:57,349 --> 00:59:55,380
a good snapshot of what people are

1649
00:59:59,690 --> 00:59:57,359
seeing now this doesn't come down from a

1650
01:00:01,730 --> 00:59:59,700
mandate this is something that I began

1651
01:00:03,289 --> 01:00:01,740
doing to as I say to get a better idea

1652
01:00:05,809 --> 01:00:03,299
what was being reported as opposed to

1653
01:00:08,030 --> 01:00:05,819
General Impressions I mean you we've

1654
01:00:11,210 --> 01:00:08,040
heard these stories about how UFO report

1655
01:00:13,490 --> 01:00:11,220
numbers are way up this year and and you

1656
01:00:15,770 --> 01:00:13,500
know it's it's you know tremendous if

1657
01:00:17,809 --> 01:00:15,780
you actually look at the data they're

1658
01:00:19,789 --> 01:00:17,819
not up as much this year there may be a

1659
01:00:21,410 --> 01:00:19,799
slight amount but we're fairly flat in

1660
01:00:24,650 --> 01:00:21,420
fact the numbers have been going down in

1661
01:00:26,329 --> 01:00:24,660
Canada uh for the past little while and

1662
01:00:28,069 --> 01:00:26,339
you know Canada is I suppose a

1663
01:00:30,890 --> 01:00:28,079
Bellwether for what's going on elsewhere

1664
01:00:32,870 --> 01:00:30,900
in the world because we do have a very

1665
01:00:35,329 --> 01:00:32,880
good cross-section of cases not only

1666
01:00:37,849 --> 01:00:35,339
from uh citizens but from government

1667
01:00:39,650 --> 01:00:37,859
sources military sources and Pilots so

1668
01:00:41,809 --> 01:00:39,660
we do have a fairly good idea of what's

1669
01:00:43,730 --> 01:00:41,819
been going on and the fact that we've

1670
01:00:45,829 --> 01:00:43,740
been monitoring this for many years

1671
01:00:49,010 --> 01:00:45,839
shows that you know we can see some

1672
01:00:50,870 --> 01:00:49,020
Trends we can see some some specific uh

1673
01:00:53,870 --> 01:00:50,880
types of information that can be teased

1674
01:00:59,170 --> 01:00:55,789
why do you think those support numbers

1675
01:01:02,210 --> 01:00:59,180
have have trended downwards rather than

1676
01:01:04,730 --> 01:01:02,220
with the kind of global focus on the UFO

1677
01:01:07,130 --> 01:01:04,740
issue maybe an all-time high or at least

1678
01:01:08,930 --> 01:01:07,140
a modern day high that were found Canada

1679
01:01:11,210 --> 01:01:08,940
has gone down the way

1680
01:01:13,430 --> 01:01:11,220
well I and I think uh it's not just

1681
01:01:15,410 --> 01:01:13,440
Canada I think uh early indications show

1682
01:01:17,210 --> 01:01:15,420
that numbers all around the world have

1683
01:01:19,250 --> 01:01:17,220
actually gone down a little bit and that

1684
01:01:20,569 --> 01:01:19,260
may be because people might have the

1685
01:01:23,089 --> 01:01:20,579
impression that the United States

1686
01:01:24,710 --> 01:01:23,099
government the Pentagon is sort of in

1687
01:01:27,770 --> 01:01:24,720
charge of things now and we should leave

1688
01:01:29,329 --> 01:01:27,780
things up to them but at the core uh the

1689
01:01:30,710 --> 01:01:29,339
sightings themselves the reports are

1690
01:01:31,970 --> 01:01:30,720
what is needed

1691
01:01:34,789 --> 01:01:31,980
um and whereas the United States

1692
01:01:36,470 --> 01:01:34,799
government is looking mostly at things

1693
01:01:39,230 --> 01:01:36,480
that have been reported by its own

1694
01:01:41,270 --> 01:01:39,240
military personnel uh you know the

1695
01:01:43,130 --> 01:01:41,280
citizens uh who are reporting have no

1696
01:01:45,349 --> 01:01:43,140
place to go other than you know UFO

1697
01:01:48,230 --> 01:01:45,359
organizations like mufon and newfork and

1698
01:01:50,870 --> 01:01:48,240
and before and places like that so the

1699
01:01:54,049 --> 01:01:50,880
idea is that there is this this volume

1700
01:01:57,530 --> 01:01:54,059
of UFO data that needs to be mined and

1701
01:02:00,650 --> 01:01:57,540
organizations are taking a look at the

1702
01:02:03,589 --> 01:02:00,660
typical UFO uh report from Years Gone by

1703
01:02:05,510 --> 01:02:03,599
to mine them to try and see if something

1704
01:02:07,970 --> 01:02:05,520
can be obtained in terms of

1705
01:02:09,890 --> 01:02:07,980
understanding the UFO phenomenon or

1706
01:02:11,930 --> 01:02:09,900
winnowing out those cases which aren't

1707
01:02:14,329 --> 01:02:11,940
as interesting and keeping closer track

1708
01:02:16,370 --> 01:02:14,339
of the Unexplained cases which then

1709
01:02:20,750 --> 01:02:16,380
could be used to supplement what we're

1710
01:02:25,309 --> 01:02:20,760
learning through the observations by uh

1711
01:02:31,690 --> 01:02:28,030
now you call out the number there

1712
01:02:34,370 --> 01:02:31,700
768 reports were filed in the year 2022

1713
01:02:36,230 --> 01:02:34,380
now eight percent of those remain

1714
01:02:39,349 --> 01:02:36,240
unexplained so are talking around the

1715
01:02:42,109 --> 01:02:39,359
high 60s uh remain unexplained what

1716
01:02:44,150 --> 01:02:42,119
exactly within this report does that

1717
01:02:45,829 --> 01:02:44,160
mean no it doesn't mean of course it's

1718
01:02:48,109 --> 01:02:45,839
aliens does it

1719
01:02:49,549 --> 01:02:48,119
no it doesn't mean aliens what it does

1720
01:02:51,710 --> 01:02:49,559
say is that there's enough information

1721
01:02:54,410 --> 01:02:51,720
in the report to suggest that it's not

1722
01:02:56,870 --> 01:02:54,420
an ordinary aircraft plane satellite and

1723
01:02:58,069 --> 01:02:56,880
so forth uh it suggests that this is

1724
01:03:00,109 --> 01:02:58,079
something that should be looked at a

1725
01:03:02,329 --> 01:03:00,119
little more carefully maybe uh there's

1726
01:03:04,490 --> 01:03:02,339
uh there's some evidence or some details

1727
01:03:08,049 --> 01:03:04,500
that are a little unusual

1728
01:03:10,910 --> 01:03:08,059
um and we also go through the trouble of

1729
01:03:12,430 --> 01:03:10,920
classifying the various levels it's sort

1730
01:03:14,930 --> 01:03:12,440
of a grayscale

1731
01:03:18,710 --> 01:03:14,940
we use the heinek strangeness and

1732
01:03:20,870 --> 01:03:18,720
reliability uh scale of of UFOs where a

1733
01:03:22,309 --> 01:03:20,880
high strangeness report is a something a

1734
01:03:24,890 --> 01:03:22,319
little more substantial than just an

1735
01:03:26,809 --> 01:03:24,900
ordinary light in the sky reliability is

1736
01:03:29,750 --> 01:03:26,819
more than just an anonymous phone call

1737
01:03:32,030 --> 01:03:29,760
it's somebody who uh has maybe filled

1738
01:03:33,589 --> 01:03:32,040
out a form or has had the time to talk

1739
01:03:35,289 --> 01:03:33,599
with an investigator or perhaps

1740
01:03:38,150 --> 01:03:35,299
somebody's visited the site themselves

1741
01:03:40,609 --> 01:03:38,160
and if you look at that we're we're down

1742
01:03:43,250 --> 01:03:40,619
to maybe a dozen or two really

1743
01:03:45,950 --> 01:03:43,260
interesting higher quality UFOs for

1744
01:03:48,770 --> 01:03:45,960
example there is a a report last year

1745
01:03:52,069 --> 01:03:48,780
where uh a commercial pilot was flying

1746
01:03:56,390 --> 01:03:52,079
over Canada and uh reported what was

1747
01:03:58,910 --> 01:03:56,400
described as a a Batwing suit somebody

1748
01:04:01,490 --> 01:03:58,920
in a one of these batwing suits that you

1749
01:04:02,870 --> 01:04:01,500
sometimes see in documentaries who uh

1750
01:04:04,609 --> 01:04:02,880
you know they look like a flying

1751
01:04:07,490 --> 01:04:04,619
squirrel with the arms outstretched and

1752
01:04:09,289 --> 01:04:07,500
so forth flying over Toronto at an

1753
01:04:12,470 --> 01:04:09,299
altitude something like fifteen thousand

1754
01:04:13,970 --> 01:04:12,480
feet and that's classified as unusual

1755
01:04:15,890 --> 01:04:13,980
and the pilot reported it to the

1756
01:04:18,890 --> 01:04:15,900
Canadian government and the Canadian

1757
01:04:20,930 --> 01:04:18,900
government classified it as a UFO and so

1758
01:04:25,190 --> 01:04:20,940
that's one of the higher quality reports

1759
01:04:29,450 --> 01:04:27,710
you mentioned with an uh one of the

1760
01:04:32,030 --> 01:04:29,460
articles I read that while there's been

1761
01:04:33,950 --> 01:04:32,040
an increase in photographs attached to

1762
01:04:36,589 --> 01:04:33,960
these reports the quality of the

1763
01:04:38,450 --> 01:04:36,599
photographs hasn't necessarily increased

1764
01:04:40,849 --> 01:04:38,460
what are we looking at in terms of

1765
01:04:42,950 --> 01:04:40,859
photographic evidence

1766
01:04:44,750 --> 01:04:42,960
yeah you know a lot of people will post

1767
01:04:46,490 --> 01:04:44,760
photos or send in photos they've taken

1768
01:04:48,650 --> 01:04:46,500
with their cell phone cameras and

1769
01:04:51,470 --> 01:04:48,660
unfortunately cell phone cameras are not

1770
01:04:53,030 --> 01:04:51,480
designed to take images of distant

1771
01:04:55,670 --> 01:04:53,040
lights in the night sky they're great

1772
01:04:57,670 --> 01:04:55,680
for taking photos of cats for example

1773
01:05:00,049 --> 01:04:57,680
really good at taking pictures of my cat

1774
01:05:01,490 --> 01:05:00,059
and I could share some with you if you

1775
01:05:03,650 --> 01:05:01,500
want but

1776
01:05:05,270 --> 01:05:03,660
um in terms of UFOs they're really not

1777
01:05:07,309 --> 01:05:05,280
that good you end up getting a black

1778
01:05:09,710 --> 01:05:07,319
screen with a tiny pinpoint of light

1779
01:05:11,690 --> 01:05:09,720
without any kind of reference and even

1780
01:05:13,670 --> 01:05:11,700
if you zoom in you you tend to distort

1781
01:05:16,010 --> 01:05:13,680
the image itself so unfortunately the

1782
01:05:18,410 --> 01:05:16,020
photos themselves even though they are

1783
01:05:20,030 --> 01:05:18,420
in about one-third of all cases that are

1784
01:05:21,470 --> 01:05:20,040
reported now

1785
01:05:25,430 --> 01:05:21,480
um you know they don't really add as

1786
01:05:30,349 --> 01:05:28,250
what might be interesting there is the

1787
01:05:32,870 --> 01:05:30,359
and I'm not sponsored by them God I wish

1788
01:05:36,109 --> 01:05:32,880
I was Samsung please get in touch but um

1789
01:05:38,450 --> 01:05:36,119
Samsung's s23 Ultra is about to be

1790
01:05:40,910 --> 01:05:38,460
released and the big Point some of the

1791
01:05:43,849 --> 01:05:40,920
reviewers are pointing out online is

1792
01:05:46,490 --> 01:05:43,859
that the the 100 times zoom on the 200

1793
01:05:48,950 --> 01:05:46,500
megapixel camera seems to pick up the

1794
01:05:50,510 --> 01:05:48,960
moon and fantastic quality we're used to

1795
01:05:52,370 --> 01:05:50,520
seeing the moon through a camera phone

1796
01:05:53,750 --> 01:05:52,380
as like you say that little ball of

1797
01:05:56,150 --> 01:05:53,760
light and you can't really make out any

1798
01:05:58,670 --> 01:05:56,160
detail and it looks like this this shift

1799
01:06:01,190 --> 01:05:58,680
in camera quality is quite a big one so

1800
01:06:02,569 --> 01:06:01,200
hopefully with that sort of leap we

1801
01:06:04,789 --> 01:06:02,579
could maybe potentially get some of

1802
01:06:08,150 --> 01:06:04,799
those kind of better quality images of

1803
01:06:10,010 --> 01:06:08,160
UFOs Chris you you've done 30 plus years

1804
01:06:12,049 --> 01:06:10,020
now with investigations and research in

1805
01:06:14,390 --> 01:06:12,059
this subject do you have any advice for

1806
01:06:16,370 --> 01:06:14,400
anyone who is going to take a picture of

1807
01:06:18,650 --> 01:06:16,380
a UFO where it is a light in the night

1808
01:06:20,870 --> 01:06:18,660
sky and their cameras maybe just not up

1809
01:06:22,690 --> 01:06:20,880
to the the job of capturing it and all

1810
01:06:25,309 --> 01:06:22,700
its quality

1811
01:06:28,069 --> 01:06:25,319
well I I would certainly not uh

1812
01:06:30,109 --> 01:06:28,079
disregard the basics too uh what time

1813
01:06:32,510 --> 01:06:30,119
was it taken what direction in the sky

1814
01:06:35,329 --> 01:06:32,520
are you looking was it in reference to

1815
01:06:37,010 --> 01:06:35,339
another light in the sky uh Planet how

1816
01:06:39,890 --> 01:06:37,020
was the moon in the sky at the time how

1817
01:06:41,870 --> 01:06:39,900
far away uh the compass direction is

1818
01:06:43,910 --> 01:06:41,880
there a building that you could uh

1819
01:06:45,770 --> 01:06:43,920
maneuver in the frame of you to to get

1820
01:06:47,990 --> 01:06:45,780
it in relation to all of this will help

1821
01:06:50,029 --> 01:06:48,000
in us trying to better understand where

1822
01:06:52,069 --> 01:06:50,039
this thing was what was seen and how it

1823
01:06:54,589 --> 01:06:52,079
was moving the idea is to get in in

1824
01:06:56,809 --> 01:06:54,599
terms of a frame of reference and all of

1825
01:07:00,230 --> 01:06:56,819
that helps to uh to better understand

1826
01:07:03,770 --> 01:07:02,210
and I wonder are we getting an increase

1827
01:07:07,910 --> 01:07:03,780
in the number of Canadian military

1828
01:07:12,890 --> 01:07:09,910
well um

1829
01:07:15,950 --> 01:07:12,900
we we do have some information on

1830
01:07:18,829 --> 01:07:15,960
Canadian military cases in fact I was uh

1831
01:07:21,710 --> 01:07:18,839
receiving uh Canadian military reports

1832
01:07:22,970 --> 01:07:21,720
since uh about 1999 uh through an

1833
01:07:24,650 --> 01:07:22,980
arrangement I had with the Canadian

1834
01:07:26,569 --> 01:07:24,660
government we continue to get cases

1835
01:07:28,190 --> 01:07:26,579
through Transport Canada including

1836
01:07:31,490 --> 01:07:28,200
Pilots

1837
01:07:33,650 --> 01:07:31,500
um and uh so we have some information uh

1838
01:07:35,750 --> 01:07:33,660
it's misleading to say I think that

1839
01:07:39,049 --> 01:07:35,760
there's an increase in the UFO Reporting

1840
01:07:42,589 --> 01:07:39,059
by military uh observers in the United

1841
01:07:45,829 --> 01:07:42,599
States what the most recent uh uh all

1842
01:07:49,809 --> 01:07:45,839
domain anomaly uh resolution office

1843
01:07:52,789 --> 01:07:49,819
report says is that since they

1844
01:07:56,029 --> 01:07:52,799
encouraged Pilots to report UFOs without

1845
01:07:58,490 --> 01:07:56,039
fear of uh of damage their reputation

1846
01:07:59,750 --> 01:07:58,500
and and fear of ridicule they had an

1847
01:08:01,970 --> 01:07:59,760
increase in the number of reports

1848
01:08:04,010 --> 01:08:01,980
received that's not saying that the

1849
01:08:06,470 --> 01:08:04,020
reports themselves increased matter of

1850
01:08:09,289 --> 01:08:06,480
fact many of the cases are reported uh

1851
01:08:11,089 --> 01:08:09,299
are from a long time ago so we don't

1852
01:08:13,010 --> 01:08:11,099
have a good handle on where these are

1853
01:08:16,370 --> 01:08:13,020
from in fact I would not be surprised if

1854
01:08:19,669 --> 01:08:16,380
some Canadian military Pilots or British

1855
01:08:22,010 --> 01:08:19,679
Pilots reported them through uh the

1856
01:08:23,990 --> 01:08:22,020
office as well so we don't know exactly

1857
01:08:26,209 --> 01:08:24,000
what the data looks like and that's one

1858
01:08:28,789 --> 01:08:26,219
thing we're waiting to see we don't have

1859
01:08:30,890 --> 01:08:28,799
the data and that's why uh supplementary

1860
01:08:33,229 --> 01:08:30,900
studies such as the Canadian UFO survey

1861
01:08:36,410 --> 01:08:33,239
there was a Swedish study that was also

1862
01:08:40,490 --> 01:08:36,420
released this week that out of 241

1863
01:08:42,229 --> 01:08:40,500
reports it had one unexplained case so

1864
01:08:44,510 --> 01:08:42,239
it shows that the number of really

1865
01:08:46,309 --> 01:08:44,520
interesting cases is still fairly low

1866
01:08:48,349 --> 01:08:46,319
despite the number of cases that are

1867
01:08:50,209 --> 01:08:48,359
being reported and I think looking at

1868
01:08:53,709 --> 01:08:50,219
the data is the only way to better

1869
01:08:59,390 --> 01:08:56,749
ultimately what is this report and

1870
01:09:01,550 --> 01:08:59,400
others like it coming from Canada going

1871
01:09:04,189 --> 01:09:01,560
to do to help or is it going to help

1872
01:09:06,530 --> 01:09:04,199
progress the UFO topic

1873
01:09:08,990 --> 01:09:06,540
well I think it advances the idea that

1874
01:09:10,669 --> 01:09:09,000
people are still reporting UFOs and uh

1875
01:09:12,950 --> 01:09:10,679
the the

1876
01:09:15,289 --> 01:09:12,960
um the information that someone gives

1877
01:09:17,689 --> 01:09:15,299
when reporting a UFO is not lost forever

1878
01:09:20,450 --> 01:09:17,699
uh they uh they don't go into a black

1879
01:09:22,669 --> 01:09:20,460
hole they're being used and uh there's

1880
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some move right now for using uh

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artificial intelligence to parse

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information out of UFO reports that have

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been filed by people to try and you know

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weed out the the dress and collect up

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all the good stuff all the interesting

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cases so that studies on UFO data you

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know setting up cameras and

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magnetometers and so forth will be set

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up in the correct places and be able to

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distinguish between real UFOs and the

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Chris you've been a busy man today and I

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appreciate you jumping on very last

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minute to record this with me thank you

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very much and do you want to just tell

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the listeners how they can get a hold of

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you and also a copy of your work as well

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sure my most recent book is the is

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Canada's UFOs Declassified available on

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Amazon uh you can look me up that way

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I'm also quite a bit on social media at

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ufology research on a number of

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platforms uh I'm also one of the admins

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for uh UFO updates on Facebook one of

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the groups and uh my blog is euphorum

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ufo-r-u-m.blogspot.com and I've added a

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bunch of posts about the Canadian UFO

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well I'll have all of those Linked In

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the description to this podcast as well

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Chris thank you very much for joining me

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thanks Annie that is all for this week's

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show thank you very much for listening

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please remember to leave the podcast a

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review on your chosen platform you can

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like retweet And subscribe that would

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all be very much appreciated the shows

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are being uploaded onto YouTube as we

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speak more and more you can sign up at

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Twitter it's at UFO UAP am and again

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folks as always keep looking up you

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foreign

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oh

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over there

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consider your space

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can't sleep forever

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thank you